I will give you mine and imo, the vast majority of the rest amongst us who voted to leave.
Here it is.....
Are you ready for it......?
LEAVE! We voted to leave the EU. Get out. Have fuck all to do with it. Never pay a bean into it ever again.
No soft, runny, sunny side up brexit thats been invented post vote to try and make some sleep a little bit better at nights.
Leave means leave and it means brexit.
Does that help you len because i see you posting the same question every single day and regardless of the answer you get, you just keep on asking.
Are you waiting for an answer you like before giving it up or what?
It will be interesting to see Len's response to this and any others that are put forward - it will show just how genuine he was in his statement that he was 'seeking to move the debate on' or if in fact he was just intending to play a cheap game.
I have been suspicious that the intention behind his request is to repeat what I have seen previously since June - Remainers being unable to put forward their own arguments in a cohesive manner and instead simply sniping/picking holes and generally throwing stones at those of others.
That said, I tend to regard Len as being of more substance than others of the 'obsessed Remainer' type, so I will take part in his 'exercise'.
But as a word of caution to any keen Leaver - if you set out your Red Lines and describe what Brexit outcomes you would wish to see achieved, then you immediately become vulnerable to the 'sniping' - if that is the purpose of Len's request - which, as I say, I hope it is not.
This is because of the simple fact of how the negotiations will actually work. It will likely mean that nobody on here will get the full deal that they will have set out in their posts in April 2017.
Both 'sides' will have strengths and weaknesses and therefore both sides will secure some of what they want, fail totally in some areas and in others reach a compromise. Where those 'Wins/Losses/Draws' actually fall will depend on the strength of support each negotiating team is given to 'prosecute' each outcome. This is why it is important that the UK team are free of the demands of the hard Brexiteers and also of the slippery machinations that have been taking place at Westminster. This is also why it would be good for the UK to be able see/sow some level of discord amongst the 27 - which it is indeed entirely possible to do.
There is no 'deal' available on the shelf that can be described by any of us - it will evolve through the negotiations, based on the strength of each side's positions and the freedom that they have to play 'trump cards' and therefore any specific outcome that we can describe is vulnerable to compromise.
The 'game' that I was suspecting Ken might be playing (I hope that he is not) is similar to what the EU, through their sycophant Remainers at Westminster, have been trying to do since June in their continual requests for detail and the demands for a meaningful vote' on the final deal. As an example if they could have gotten May to state that she:
".....will stop all payments when we leave....." and also
"... whilst we will be leaving the Single Market we will secure a level of access to it through a trade agreement...."
Immediately all the EU negotiating team has to do is refuse to discuss any of that that until we have paid £60bn or whatever they decide to demand (thereby nullifying our Ace of Trumps). They could also say that any level of access to the single market, no matter how limited, is dependent on the annual contribution (as other nations make) of £10bn - or whatever demand they choose to make.
May is then snookered because she would have been stupid enough to make statements that left her a hostage to fortune - and of course had the intentionally wrecking (sorry I mean meaningful vote) amendment snuck through then the Remain dominated Westminster could simply vote the deal down based on it not achieving what the PM had set out as a Red Line etc. Of course this explains also why May must not take part in debates where she will be pressed to make such statements.
I think that I might first take time out to do some examples of that 'sniping' of Leave positions myself so that it would at least expose what Remainers are up to if they actually do start to play that cheap game because they have no substance of their own. It will also help expectations of leavers on here - because at the end of the day the 'deal' will be a 'negotiated settlement'.
Whilst I will set out my red lines in another posts - for me it will be in the form of some quite simply stated outcomes and open to the acceptance of a number of compromises.
