Explosion at MEN Arena/Victoria Station

[mekonmcfc]

I haven't been further involved in this thread because it spirals to pedantic debates. Let's not gloss over the tragedy by trying to find reasons behind the actions of evil.

There are many sects of Islam, and there are ones that are not even recognised. I am a muslim, of the Ahl Sunnah Wal Jamaah branch. We adhere to our roots but sometimes adapt from the good and beneficial teachings of Hambali, Maliki and Hanafi. We have been taught, as part of our civic and moral code of faith from early childhood to never hurt a single ant, let alone a fellow human. When we are wronged, we are to do good on those who wrong us. I can assure you that those of my branch of which there are millions will not be easily indoctrinated because of the early civic and moral guidance that were given of us.

This is not a religion issue. This is the lack of education on one's religion issue.

I don't know how others here are opinionated that the book and its teaching has caused this. I can recite the book many times over but it didn't and will not ever drive me to performing or justifying evil acts. It's not the book but the people who manipulate its words that is of a concern. If someone has been given the right foundation of Islam from early childhood, they will not seek the 'expertise' of others in early adulthood, because their proper immersion of it while growing up gives them free will to decide what is right or wrong. When I turned 12, which is the average age of completing formal religious education, I have more than enough in me to discern what is right from wrong. We do not have to seek the purpose of living anymore as the religion is so integrated and seamless we can be part of the community as normal people. We become dentists, doctors, lawyers, football club owners, footballers, etc.

The trends with many of these individuals can be easily recognised. These are people without access to the right people in islam to guide them. The right system to direct them. These are people who already had unstable moral and civic upbringing hence were easily swayed by interpretations that do not reflect the truth. I can tell how easy it is for those who have not been immersed since birth in proper Islamic teaching to interpret the religion wrongly, by reading this thread alone. It is so easy to misinterpret something that you haven't had the chance to properly learn in time.

I know that there are calls for us muslims to act on this. But please understand we are in the same boat as you are. What are we supposed to do that others cannot do? We are as detached from these people as you are. My teachings cannot relate to their actions at all it is as different as night and day. People can cite excerpts from the book all they want but I've read the book millions of time in my life, and never once has it swayed me to do evil. If the teaching is right, the interpretation will be as well.

seems like there are many thousands interpreting the book wrongly then

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Apparently some poet said we will keep on smiling?

Sick of this liberal prose narrative and being seen to say the right thing.

I'm sure maybe relatives of some of these poor people who have lost their lives also felt a little more empathy with those platitudes before Monday.

It must start well before these people are being radicalised.

This is about communities closing themselves off to integrating into Western society in the first place.

I grew up in 80's Moss Side, black, Irish, poor, they were all there and we all lived together. This bastard seemingly lived in a Fallowfield street just around the corner from my teenage years.

I wouldn't dare walk anywhere around the streets that surround Maine Road now.

It is now a heavily-populated Somalian community who seem to run it as their own enclave, with my pals who have lived there forty years scared to go out at night.

Too many people seem to want to have their cake and eat it when it comes to living in Britain and Western society, wanting those freedoms we enjoy but only the freedoms they deem for for purpose?

There's little we can do about it now, this is the new reality, we just have to get lucky more than they do, to keep the death toll down.

Hunt them down the best we can.

I held my little ones a little tighter yesterday and although it seems it could happen anywhere, I will not let them attend a venue in the future which could now be considered a staging post for more attacks.

Stupid, most probably. But it's one less location I can change the way we go about our everyday lives.

I am too choked.

 

[blueinsa]

Can the mid who pulled my post please explain why? On here, not a private pm.

Its been pulled because we dont want this thread to turn into the usual religious debate that only ever ends one way mate.

Its a thread that so far has been respectful and kept in mind those affected by Monday nights atrocity.

Im not saying it's worthy of debate on another thread but i dont think this one is the right place for it.

Ive put it up for Ric to look at and for him to decide the best place for it fella.

 

[The perfect fumble]

That was a proper war................we have no idea who our enemy is to attack back this time.

Terrorism is the new war.

You mean a proper war in the sense there is a beginning and an end, a declaration and a surrender. Since the dawn of the 21st century there has been constant war, it's the normalisation of war, where war, not peace, is the default setting. Since 9/11 this country and others, most notably the USA, have been engaged in military activity virtually none stop, even the use of the phrase military activity is an attempt to disguise the fact we are at war.

I'm not pointing the finger at anyone for why this has happened, but no one can deny it has. So in the absence of a conventional enemy and no end in sight, the difference with this conflict is the acts of violence are random and by historical standards small (but still devastating), but there are no air raid sirens, no shelters, in fact no shelter at all as we go about our daily lives and no bluebirds over the white cliffs of Dover, tomorrow, just you wait and see, because we know it won't end tomorrow, and we've no idea how long we must wait.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

if for one second you believe throwing out of the country or locking British Citizens up for being on a watch list is the answer then i'm sorry for you.

The backlash to such a policy would not be worth thinking about and the issue we face right now with extremist terrorists, magnified by an unimaginable amount.

We have to believe and put trust and faith in our security services to do their jobs as they are doing now and hope that their magnificent record so far in stopping attacks like the one Monday night continues and those responsible dealt with.

he wasnt talking about british citizens, if they aren't from here and commit an act of terrorism or have links to isis then yes they should be deported, why shouldnt they be ? if british citizens have known links to isis then of course they should be locked up, i think most people would agree with that. if anyones offended or angry at terrorists/people with links being locked up then theres something wrong with them.

 

[cucumberman]

seems like there are many thousands interpreting the book wrongly then

Yes. which is why debating about it in this thread serves no purpose. Because it is beyond our comprehension. Even I as a practicing muslim cannot comprehend it.

 

[Shirley]

if for one second you believe throwing out of the country or locking British Citizens up for being on a watch list is the answer then i'm sorry for you.

The backlash to such a policy would not be worth thinking about and the issue we face right now with extremist terrorists, magnified by an unimaginable amount.

We have to believe and put trust and faith in our security services to do their jobs as they are doing now and hope that their magnificent record so far in stopping attacks like the one Monday night continues and those responsible dealt with.

Ffs where do I say throwing out or locking up British citizens, try reading what I posted.

 

[abu13]

Anyone on the 3,000 watch list who is considered a threat and has dual nationality should lose their right to remain in the U.K.
They are literally committing treason.

Not many countries in the world would tolerate these people.

This is part of the problem, how can the security forces keep track of 3000 people 24 hours a day. I fully agree though if they have come from overseas then they should be deported.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Absolutely bang on. I am so thankful my girlfriend and her friends got home safely, but their firsthand accounts of the evening are heartbreaking. I can't begin to imagine seeing their words with my own eyes. We need to prevent this again, and that means we need action.

Anyone who disagrees with him is an idiot. Let's just wait for the next attack on kids shall we?

 

[mancityvstoke]

Absolutely bang on. I am so thankful my girlfriend and her friends got home safely, but their firsthand accounts of the evening are heartbreaking. I can't begin to imagine seeing their words with my own eyes. We need to prevent this again, and that means we need action.

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