goatfeeder100
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Wilder got wobbled badly by Eric Molina so 100% if AJ clocks him clean he's going to sleep.
Because... like I said he can't even do it that way against B-Side fighters, I'm not doubting he throws some technically impressive shots but that's not how he finishes them off that's creating openings(which elite fighters will limit better) and then swings wildly(which elite fighters will exploit).How do you know they're not troubling any of the heavyweight elites if he's not fought them yet like you said?
so if Deontay hits him straight and clean then he's just as likely to go as all the other guys Wilder has decked. Another point to pick up on, if Wilder's opposition has been so shit (which it has been admittedly), then how is he the finished article if he hasn't been asked to perform at a higher level yet?
Because... like I said he can't even do it that way against B-Side fighters, I'm not doubting he throws some technically impressive shots but that's not how he finishes them off that's creating openings(which elite fighters will limit better) and then swings wildly(which elite fighters will exploit).
The facts are(and they do hold up most of what I said if you look at it objectively) he's had twice as many fights almost, he turned pro a whole 5 years before AJ and to add to that AJ took up boxing later than most pro boxers do. That's why I feel he has a higher ceiling he's already showing himself to be the better boxer and there is most probably much more to come(that's speculation on my part from what I've seen so far but he's improved rapidly since he went pro)
My point about Wilder is he hasn't had the opposition with which to demonstrate a higher calibre of performance, so in that respect despite a heavily padded record he is unproven still, therefore while there is probably much more to come from AJ, there could be a lot more to come from Wilder for all we know. I don't expect him to suddenly become technically polished but you never know what a defining fight like an AJ fight might bring out of him.
Also I don't see how you can still be questioning Joshua's chin when he's passed that test(this is heavyweight boxing, he got caught flush and recovered fast... if that's not a pass I don't know what is). Whyte isn't elite but better than what Wilder got tagged by(which is why Wilder should fight him if the fight isn't happening soon) and you're forgetting Joshua was relatively green in that fight, it was also a personal beef where he wasn't as composed as he usually is.
He did not recover fast against either Klitschko or Whyte. He was stiff as fuck for a good 3 or 4 rounds in either fight before he regained enough equilibrium to go back on the offensive. It's not a flaw because I wouldn't expect a heavyweight to be able to hold a shot that well when getting hit clean by another 18 stone man.
I know the AJ hype is huge which annoys some but it's good for boxing(moreso than Mayweather vs McGregor or Hayve Vs Bellew), I don't mind Wilder he brings the knockouts too which is what the mainstream/casuals want(that's where the real money is and boxing needs the mainstream as much as the hardcore look down on them) I just think for boxing purests AJ would be the better champ(they should forget focusing on how he looks like a bodybuilder and concentrate on boxing skill). Obviously I want AJ to win by KO after outboxing him for a few rounds because he has a better character(Wilder talks so much bullshit I barely finish watching one of his videos) but also so haters have to eat another slice of humble pie. I find them weird, like he fucked their wife(Amir Khan vibes with some). I can also see there is a faction of british boxing fans hoping he loses so they can save a bit of face after they spouted off "It's Audley Harrison mk 2" when he first went pro it's the same with the Frank Bruno comments(nothing like him, also blind ignorance to how much sports science has advanced).
I know who I think the favourite is but in truth as I said these are two very powerful heavyweights if either of them make the mistake of thinking they can't be knocked out it will be their downfall as their KO% speaks for itself. Whatever the result maybe I think AJ has proved his doubters wrong already in such a short space of time, you can't fault him or accuse him of ducking if he fights Wilder, Parker and Fury within next year or two that's unheard of in the heavyweight scene these days. I thought the plan was Parker then Wilder but it looks like they may go straight for Wilder. Fury coming back may be the reason why that's being pushed forward, which is another credit to Hearn and AJ wanting to face the best, not afraid to take risks.
I we are honest all the top heavyweights today have their flaws, Fury included(people overrate him too as they do with the others, they are all beatable), it might not be the best era but it's been a lot worse, it will get better if the best face the best as they learn from fighting each over and raise their game... also at least it's interesting again.
I was quite clearly talking about the Whyte punch... yes he certainly did recover fast from that punch. He was far from "stiff as fuck" or gassed or whatever for 3-4 rounds so I don't know where that's coming from, I find it a little odd you're even claiming such. He handled it very well in my opinion, was clearly stunned but didn't give his opponent too much hope and it was a short lived moment of success for Whyte in the end.He did not recover fast against either Klitschko or Whyte. He was stiff as fuck for a good 3 or 4 rounds in either fight before he regained enough equilibrium to go back on the offensive. It's not a flaw because I wouldn't expect a heavyweight to be able to hold a shot that well when getting hit clean by another 18 stone man.
Well that part was nothing to do with him being feared, more to do with his excuses for not facing much top opposition if at all. I'd find it more weird that these fighters(all of whom would have added credibility to his record if he beat them) who had fallen foul of doping tests, did so deliberately just so they don't have to face Wilder... I'm pretty sure Wilder has used that as an argument but even he can't believe that surely? Haha.The bit about Wilder's opponents regularly being withdrawn due to drug violations as some kind of conspiracy to build up Wilder as this force to be frightened of, it's a hell of a theory and in this day and age I wouldn't necessarily argue it being out of the question, especially as like you said, it's been a long time since America had a significant heavyweight champion. Seems weird that instead of just promoting the bloke properly as an exciting to watch, good talking and KO-happy champion, his fights would be sabotaged by these drug rulings as part of a wider political game.
I can see why you have doubts whether we'll really see the fight, as with most big fights I'll believe in the likelihood of the fight happening as and when I see them weigh in against each other!