Is Capitalism Unsustainable?

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GortonBlue62 said:
You've not been watching those Planet of the Apes' movies have you?

I think it is inconceivable that we won't be the most intelligent species on the planet as long as this planet exists.

Man will cease to exist when star we are orbiting burns out. Roughly 4.5 billion years from now.

I see no prospect of a Labour government or socialism reasserting itself in that timescale.
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Neither can I, although some are feverishly working themselves into a lather at the prospect.
 
Chippy_boy said:
What on earth leads you to that bizarre (and in my view so clearly wrong) assumption?

It is an inescapable fact that humans are bounded by our own biology. In anything like the short, medium (or even perhaps the very long) term we cannot double the number of neurons in our brain. We cannot run 100m in 3 seconds. Or 1 second. We are stuck with what we are dealt with.

Computers and robots are not. They will surely surpass us, just as surely as the motor car eventually could go faster than a horse. Thinking is not something "magical", merely something that we do not yet fully understand. Machines will inevitably be able think better than we can, once their computing power is great enough. Already, deep learning algorithms make decisions we do not understand: they are beginning to think for themselves. The next 50 years will see literally astonishing developments. Trust me.
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The next 50 years will indeed see astonishing developments. AI is a big deal. I get it (I've been a software developer for 35 years). I do not however fall in with the doomsayers (Elon Musk et al) rather with people like Marc Andreesen and his like. AI will enhance our lives and does not pose an existential threat. Wish I was 40 years younger; the future looks like a lot of fun. Let's agree to differ and meet back here in 2107 to see who's right.
 
GortonBlue62 said:
The next 50 years will indeed see astonishing developments. AI is a big deal. I get it (I've been a software developer for 35 years). I do not however fall in with the doomsayers (Elon Musk et al) rather with people like Marc Andreesen and his like. AI will enhance our lives and does not pose an existential threat. Wish I was 40 years younger; the future looks like a lot of fun. Let's agree to differ and meet back here in 2107 to see who's right.
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Well at least it's a more interesting debate than some poster just entering their "capitalism is the root of all evil" phase as they're sad that they haven't fulfilled their potential and they've realized they're unlikely to win the lottery.
 
Anybody know anything about Blockchains, Distributed ledgers, Virtual currencies etc.? I am told they make AI look like a nursery game, but I'm blowed if I understand any of it.
 
jacko74 said:
Well I've already explained in my reply that you've quoted why/how I believe the banks, corps and wealthy elite operate in an economic system that (for them at least) is more akin to a form of socialism than free market capitalism.
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but state funded or state aided doesnt equal socialism.
Its only socialism if the aim of the funding is to redistribute wealth to the poor and funding the banks is exactly the opposite of that.
 
inbetween said:
People do not want change, they were offered change at the last election and the majority of people chose a Tory government which lets not forget was running the worst Tory camp, aign ever seen.

What Labour really wants is the capitalist system we have now where the rich just pays for everything that everyone else refuses to pay for.

Unfortunately the reality is that the rich cannot pay for everything and quite simply everyone will have to pay for it, that is the demand of a socialist system they won't tell you about and it is certainly not a vote winner!
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no they didnt, 42.4% is not a majority

and thats only 42.4% of those who voted.
If you factor in the 31.3% who didnt vote it drops to 29.1%, less than a third of the electorate
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Given the supposed unpopularity of Corbyn and the state of the Labour party at the time, plus the predictions and expectations of a comfortable Tory majority I'd say the outcome was a loud shout for change. Particularly as the Labour party got more votes than the Tories.
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they really didnt
13,669,883 for the Tories and 12,878,460

the difference is only 791,423 but the tories still got more
 
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