City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

But that would make for much more equality between clubs, which is the absolute last thing they want.

They could do all kinds of things to limit the advantage of the big clubs if they wanted to.

They don't want to, they just want to hit a few of them, who aren't welcome at the party.
I don't disagree with you at all.

Just look at the NFL for the way to structure a fair sporting competition. There's a salary cap and the team with the worst record gets pick the best young player for the following season.

Football is broken it's ridiculous that clubs such as; us, rags, spurs, arsenal, chelsea and liverpool can have better players on the bench than teams like; Huddersfield, Brighton, Burnley, West Brom, Swansea and Watford can have in their starting 11.

Football isn't really much of a sport anymore. The games are getting worse with teams parking the bus as it's the only thing they can do due to the competitive disadvantage they have.
 
I don't disagree with you at all.

Just look at the NFL for the way to structure a fair sporting competition. There's a salary cap and the team with the worst record gets pick the best young player for the following season.

Football is broken it's ridiculous that clubs such as; us, rags, spurs, arsenal, chelsea and liverpool can have better players on the bench than teams like; Huddersfield, Brighton, Burnley, West Brom, Swansea and Watford can have in their starting 11.

Football isn't really much of a sport anymore. The games are getting worse with teams parking the bus as it's the only thing they can do due to the competitive disadvantage they have.

But in the PL era has always been like this. The rags have won the Premier League title 13 times, Chelsea 5 and Arsenal 3. Blackburn managed to financially compete for a year and Leicester came from nowhere to win it 2 seasons ago. If anything, the latter showed that with the influx of growing tv money less fashionable clubs can actually compete now in a way they hadn't done for the previous 22 seasons. So why is competition so important now that it requires rule changes?
 
I don't disagree with you at all.

Just look at the NFL for the way to structure a fair sporting competition. There's a salary cap and the team with the worst record gets pick the best young player for the following season.

Football is broken it's ridiculous that clubs such as; us, rags, spurs, arsenal, chelsea and liverpool can have better players on the bench than teams like; Huddersfield, Brighton, Burnley, West Brom, Swansea and Watford can have in their starting 11.

Football isn't really much of a sport anymore. The games are getting worse with teams parking the bus as it's the only thing they can do due to the competitive disadvantage they have.
Agree that it's broken and needs to be fixed. I personally miss pre-Bosman era with restrictions on the number of foreign players, even though the quality of top-level football is undeniably better now. There were much more diversity at that time, 'moneybags' like Berlusconi's Milan still existed but couldn't hoover all the trophies every year.

NFL, NBA, NHL are closed leagues functioning in one country, in one economic environment. Citing them as an example doesn't make much sense - salary cap designed for England wouldn't work at all somewhere in Croatia. Draft systems are usable only in small closed leagues.
 
But in the PL era has always been like this. The rags have won the Premier League title 13 times, Chelsea 5 and Arsenal 3. Blackburn managed to financially compete for a year and Leicester came from nowhere to win it 2 seasons ago. If anything, the latter showed that with the influx of growing tv money less fashionable clubs can actually compete now in a way they hadn't done for the previous 22 seasons. So why is competition so important now that it requires rule changes?
Because Barca and Real have just figured out that they can't afford to stockpile the best players in Europe anymore and Bayern don't like competition.
 
I don't disagree with you at all.

Just look at the NFL for the way to structure a fair sporting competition. There's a salary cap and the team with the worst record gets pick the best young player for the following season.

Football is broken it's ridiculous that clubs such as; us, rags, spurs, arsenal, chelsea and liverpool can have better players on the bench than teams like; Huddersfield, Brighton, Burnley, West Brom, Swansea and Watford can have in their starting 11.

Football isn't really much of a sport anymore. The games are getting worse with teams parking the bus as it's the only thing they can do due to the competitive disadvantage they have.


That & the fact that 99% of football managers are complete frauds, with no real idea how to build a football team in the moder era, & no ambition other than staying in a job, so bang average managers become known as 'top' ones, for doing it a little bit better, for a while.

But re ffp, the kind of models you have mentioned, could have course have been brought in when ffp was first mooted.

Make it so that after 5 years or so, all the teams would be starting equal.

Then the likes of Manchester Utd, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich & of course, the wonderful Liverpool, all still have their wonderful history, & massiveness, so it's no problem for them to remain at the very top without spending all the money right ?

Exept they know, all this 'history' & 'special club' stuff, is fucking bullshit, & just a matter of circumstances coming together at the right time, which allowed said clubs to become financially better off. Without having a financial advantage over most clubs, none of them would even be able to guarantee staying in the top two divisions. That is the reason Blackpool & Preston North End, Wolves, Villa, Leeds, Forest, etc etc etc are not competing with them now: money, nothing else.

And the proof of how this can go wrong ? Manchester City, one of the biggest clubs in the history of football in this country, being in the 3rd division because of a spell of shit management. Would we have been there if we could spend Utd, Arsenal & Liverpool level money on players & managers ? Would we fuck! We just happened to be shit, at the wrong time, whilst they coined it in & sold their 'brands' worldwide on TV.

Clubs coming from big cities, had gained an inevitable advantage, prior to that, due to the potential for fans paying in, something else where we were 'historically' one of the biggest.

If all this stuff had been equalised 100 years ago, there might not even be a Liverpool or a Utd or a City in the top leagues nowardays, or even in existence.

Now, a select bunch of clubs who happened to be at the top during a select period, have taken over football & are constantly fixing it for themselves to stay there.

They have no 'right' to be there historically or otherwise.
 
On the other hand, Chelsea's (and City's) loan system would be destroyed if all proposals are implemented. It would favour only Bayern, Madrid and maybe Barca. Academies and youth development would become useless for top clubs like City (25-player squad rule, no players on loan).

Surely the Spanish model of having "B" teams in the league would be affected by this. Barca basically loan a team of players to Barca B. The fact they are the same legal entity might come in whereas we have professionals lent to Girona etc. In effect they are the same transactions of player movement? So is the B team an advantage which will allow Spanish teams to get around the 25 player squad rule?
 
But in the PL era has always been like this. The rags have won the Premier League title 13 times, Chelsea 5 and Arsenal 3. Blackburn managed to financially compete for a year and Leicester came from nowhere to win it 2 seasons ago. If anything, the latter showed that with the influx of growing tv money less fashionable clubs can actually compete now in a way they hadn't done for the previous 22 seasons. So why is competition so important now that it requires rule changes?

Well technically it's been like this longer if you include Liverpool in the 80's. Even so long gone are the days when a team can be promoted and realistically win the league like they were able to before.
 
Agree that it's broken and needs to be fixed. I personally miss pre-Bosman era with restrictions on the number of foreign players, even though the quality of top-level football is undeniably better now. There were much more diversity at that time, 'moneybags' like Berlusconi's Milan still existed but couldn't hoover all the trophies every year.

NFL, NBA, NHL are closed leagues functioning in one country, in one economic environment. Citing them as an example doesn't make much sense - salary cap designed for England wouldn't work at all somewhere in Croatia. Draft systems are usable only in small closed leagues.

A salary cap would work and it would make everything a lot fairer. The best players wanting the most money would need to be spread out across the league. Not all stock piled at the "big clubs".
 
Agree that it's broken and needs to be fixed. I personally miss pre-Bosman era with restrictions on the number of foreign players, even though the quality of top-level football is undeniably better now. There were much more diversity at that time, 'moneybags' like Berlusconi's Milan still existed but couldn't hoover all the trophies every year.

NFL, NBA, NHL are closed leagues functioning in one country, in one economic environment. Citing them as an example doesn't make much sense - salary cap designed for England wouldn't work at all somewhere in Croatia. Draft systems are usable only in small closed leagues.

One out of three.
 

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