9 | Erling Haaland - 2023/24

What he started doing in the second half of last season (apart from scoring loads of goals of course) was collecting longer balls around 30-40 yards out and then laying them off to a team mate. That has disappeared from his game this season.
 
Right so 5 goals in 19 games 4 of which were scored when the game was already won is now turning up?
5 goals in 19 big games in the last 18 months doesn't match up with your insistence that he "doesn't turn up against top teams". That's what you said. He might not do it as much as expected or hoped, but he literally does turn up. You've just shown everyone that he does. Apologies for the pedantry but you're the one who made the absolutist claim.

But while we're at it - your methodology can have several holes punched in it. Say Haaland scores the winning goal against West Ham on the last day of this 23/24 season. Surely that game is of greater import than the derby at Old Trafford earlier this season, or your average run-of-the-mill home game against West Ham. But, according to your data, because it's not come against a "top side" it doesn't count the same?

What about his goal to get us back in the game against Leipzig when we were 2-0 down? His four goals against Young Boys that meant we sailed through in the Champions League group? His two goals at Chelsea that brought us back into that 4-4 game when it was slipping away from us? Scoring the 3rd goal at Palace recently to kill a sticky game at an important time in the season? The five goals he scored at Luton to set us up for another good run in the FA Cup? Are these not also big moments?

Also, there are two ways you can look at the goals he's scored against top sides, but you've chosen to look at them in a way that discredits them, or diminishes their importance. "He scored goals in games we were already winning", etc. But that 3rd goal against Arsenal killed a tight away game and gave us the points. The 4th goal against Arsenal in the home game killed any hope of an Arsenal comeback. His goal at the Allianz stopped any hope of Bayern getting a foothold in the game.

He's lacked a killer instinct at points this season, he's clearly struggling with some kind of physical issue, and his performances are deserving of criticism. But saying things like "he doesn't turn up against top teams" is so blatantly untrue - as you've so clearly outlined with your own data - and it's where the criticism of Haaland goes way over the top. If you're going to have a go at him, have a go about things that are actually there. Don't just wade in with some easily disprovable nonsense because you've planted your flag and need to feel like you're correct.
 
There it is, the dumbest thing i'll read all morning.

By the same logic shouldn't "world class keepers" be expected to save shots from "world class strikers"
World class is used to flippantly. Erling is still a young forward, Sergio WAS world class, as was Messi and Ronaldo. We've had some excellent one of talent. David, Yaya, Mahrez(the best first touch ever),Kevin and Rodders. But we've been short at full back for several seasons. Sort that out and the team is immediately better balanced which will benefit Erling.
 
True and agreed.
Haaland was brought in to be the difference maker though, to takes us to that "next level", we still haven't beaten Liverpool at Anfield and still haven't scored at Spurs away (which could change).

With all the goals Haaland scored last season, we still scored less goals in the league than the previous season, before Haaland our issue in the CL was we were never clinical enough, after yesterday's game, I'd say we still have the same problem.
I will repeat yet again our elimination from theCL is normally due to conceding rather than scoring. 4 goals is more than enough to win a QF. Big problem with Haaland is his irrelevancy if he is not scoring or chances are being presented to him on a plate. The many deficiencies in his game are amplified when he fails to score as putting the ball in the net is his main attribute. Teams like Liverpool, Arsenal and Madrid can neutralise him fairly easily. Many claim he is creating space for others to exploit but I see little evidence of that in games like last nights.
 
True and agreed.
Haaland was brought in to be the difference maker though, to takes us to that "next level", we still haven't beaten Liverpool at Anfield and still haven't scored at Spurs away (which could change).

With all the goals Haaland scored last season, we still scored less goals in the league than the previous season, before Haaland our issue in the CL was we were never clinical enough, after yesterday's game, I'd say we still have the same problem.
We beat spurs in the fa cup !
 
Some shots? yes
All the shots? no
If all your shots are saved, then you, as the striker, are not world class
That "world class" keeper was beaten though.

By any chance were you singing Haaland's praises last season?
 
Ignoring his performance, is anyone else surprised to hear Pep say Haaland asked to come off? KDB makes sense, he’s 32, his position on the pitch requires more exertion of energy. But Haaland? Let’s be real, he’s not exactly busting a gut for the majority of matches is he? He shouldn’t be more fatigued than others. And he’s literally one of our few penalty takers, if not the only one of note. The guy should not be taking himself off the pitch in those circumstances imo. If the manager wants him off that’s different.
 
5 goals in 19 big games in the last 18 months doesn't match up with your insistence that he "doesn't turn up against top teams". That's what you said. He might not do it as much as expected or hoped, but he literally does turn up. You've just shown everyone that he does. Apologies for the pedantry but you're the one who made the absolutist claim.

But while we're at it - your methodology can have several holes punched in it. Say Haaland scores the winning goal against West Ham on the last day of this 23/24 season. Surely that game is of greater import than the derby at Old Trafford earlier this season, or your average run-of-the-mill home game against West Ham. But, according to your data, because it's not come against a "top side" it doesn't count the same?

What about his goal to get us back in the game against Leipzig when we were 2-0 down? His four goals against Young Boys that meant we sailed through in the Champions League group? His two goals at Chelsea that brought us back into that 4-4 game when it was slipping away from us? Scoring the 3rd goal at Palace recently to kill a sticky game at an important time in the season? The five goals he scored at Luton to set us up for another good run in the FA Cup? Are these not also big moments?

Also, there are two ways you can look at the goals he's scored against top sides, but you've chosen to look at them in a way that discredits them, or diminishes their importance. "He scored goals in games we were already winning", etc. But that 3rd goal against Arsenal killed a tight away game and gave us the points. The 4th goal against Arsenal in the home game killed any hope of an Arsenal comeback. His goal at the Allianz stopped any hope of Bayern getting a foothold in the game.

He's lacked a killer instinct at points this season, he's clearly struggling with some kind of physical issue, and his performances are deserving of criticism. But saying things like "he doesn't turn up against top teams" is so blatantly untrue - as you've so clearly outlined with your own data - and it's where the criticism of Haaland goes way over the top. If you're going to have a go at him, have a go about things that are actually there. Don't just wade in with some easily disprovable nonsense because you've planted your flag and need to feel like you're correct.
Again I don't understand your point. Against a good defence which a top team generally has he struggles.

Yes scoring a hypothetical goal against West Ham would be great but that doesn't hide the fact they are a mid table team.

I am not denying he scores goals. He scored a good penalty last Saturday against Luton but that doesn't excuse him not turning up against Madrid twice.

If we want someone to kill off a game against a top side we might as well have him on the bench until the 70th minute and bring him on when we are already winning the game.
 

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