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His Art of the Deal musings are to create something so unpalatable to the people that when you compromise back to rationality, they're more favourable to your original proposal because it represents a climb down from your original position.

So he's actually folding them into it quite well. If this was a revised Bill that had already failed then you'd have a point, but it isn't - it's his opening gambit which in his book is designed to fail. this is all depending on the logic that he's using his book's strategies of course which I don't believe is true.
His Art of the Deal musings were actually the ghost writer's musings of how Trump wanted himself portrayed. His real deal making was based on outright lies, bullying, boasting and falling back on his father's money according to the article I posted a few pages ago by the ghost writer Tony Schwartz. Now his father's gone, he's had to fall back to just lying, bullying and boasting to get deals done; and most people can see right through it.
 
His Art of the Deal musings were actually the ghost writer's musings of how Trump wanted himself portrayed. His real deal making was based on outright lies, bullying, boasting and falling back on his father's money according to the article I posted a few pages ago by the ghost writer Tony Schwartz. Now his father's gone, he's had to fall back to just lying, bullying and boasting to get deals done; and most people can see right through it.

My point, exactly.
 
His Art of the Deal musings were actually the ghost writer's musings of how Trump wanted himself portrayed. His real deal making was based on outright lies, bullying, boasting and falling back on his father's money according to the article I posted a few pages ago by the ghost writer Tony Schwartz. Now his father's gone, he's had to fall back to just lying, bullying and boasting to get deals done; and most people can see right through it.

“I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. “I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is.” He went on, “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”

Yeah this guy is a rational and thoughtful source.

We see more evidence of Schrodinger's Trump again, in that he's a man who has never read a book through in his life though a few pages ago people were complaining that he's got a collation of Hitler speeches in a book he owns. So he's both a reader of Naziism and a non-reader.

After reading that larger New Yorker piece and a few others, he seems to be saying that he used to be a "sell out hack" (his words, not mine) but now he's turned on Trump so he's a proper journalist again. His main point seems to be that Trump has no attention span because he didn't like endlessly glossing over his history with a ghostwriter; firstly, I don't see the connection between that and "an attention span". There's plenty of people both powerful and not who don't like reminiscing about their past and feel it uncomfortable and a waste of time when they could be doing things in the present. This doesn't mean they lack attention span only that they don't place any importance on speaking about it. Shit, if I had to put up with a ghostwriter taking up hours of my day with banal questions about my childhood and the "we;ll how did that make you feel" spiel then I'd be irritated too. He's drawing conclusions here that are at best unsubstantiated and at worst unfair. Remembering that he's essentially attempting to apply for re-admission to the human race by his own regards, it isn't surprising that he would be doing this.

And if I'm deadly honest, the way that the New Yorker keeps mixing in quotes from the journal in the 1980s with recent quotes without really establishing the change is sneaky as fuck. It makes it sound like at this point our friendly neighbourhood ghostwriter was in some sort of moral panic but it's bollocks if you read it carefully. He wrote in the 1980s that following Trump around all day and listening into his phonecalls was "draining" and "deadening". Those aren't really negative terms about Trump, they're describing that he's knackered. However when they put it next to a recent quote in this paragraph ("completely compulsive"), it changes the association:

Schwartz reminded himself that he was being paid to tell Trump’s story, not his own, but the more he worked on the project the more disturbing he found it. In his journal, he describes the hours he spent with Trump as “draining” and “deadening.” Schwartz told me that Trump’s need for attention is “completely compulsive,” and that his bid for the Presidency is part of a continuum. “He’s managed to keep increasing the dose for forty years,” Schwartz said. After he’d spent decades as a tabloid titan, “the only thing left was running for President. If he could run for emperor of the world, he would.”

This next bit is just fucking cheeky.

Some of the falsehoods in “The Art of the Deal” are minor. Spy upended Trump’s claims that Ivana had been a “top model” and an alternate on the Czech Olympic ski team. Barrett notes that in “The Art of the Deal” Trump describes his father as having been born in New Jersey to Swedish parents; in fact, he was born in the Bronx to German parents. (Decades later, Trump spread falsehoods about Obama’s origins, claiming it was possible that the President was born in Africa.)

In “The Art of the Deal,” Trump portrays himself as a warm family man with endless admirers. He praises Ivana’s taste and business skill—“I said you can’t bet against Ivana, and she proved me right.

In an article which makes the claim that Trump didn't write any of his book and instead the ghostwriter wrote it all as a flattering take on his life, they THEN blame Trump for factual errors that appeared in the book.

But how can that be true? How is Trump responsible for the factually incorrect claims but the ghostwriter is responsible for the rest of the book? Again it's Schrodinger's Trump - simultaneously the author and not the author, whichever is needed in order to criticise him at that exact moment in time.

It's all over the article, these type of strange contradictions:

The other key myth perpetuated by “The Art of the Deal” was that Trump’s intuitions about business were almost flawless. “The book helped fuel the notion that he couldn’t fail,” Barrett said.

Trump’s life story, as told by Schwartz, honestly chronicled a few setbacks, such as Trump’s disastrous 1983 purchase of the New Jersey Generals, a football team in the flailing United States Football League.

My general takeaway from that whole thing is not some deeper appreciation of Trump's character, but that the ghostwriter was a highly liberal writer who despite his parent's massive wealth felt "forced" to ghostwrite a book and then years later in 2016 after it has made him an absolute fortune, decided to have a Come to Jesus moment and denounce it as the subject was on the campaign trail because, and again these are his words and not mine, he disagreed with a lot of Trump's policies.

I'm not sure what it is that this is trying to prove to me.
 
His Art of the Deal is to see what he can get away with. If he feels he has not made enough, don't pay contractors, specialists or any other subcontractor and then not pay all taxes. Viola, money made.
 
His Art of the Deal is to see what he can get away with. If he feels he has not made enough, don't pay contractors, specialists or any other subcontractor and then not pay all taxes. Viola, money made.

Looked into this when it was mentioned last. Misleading would be a generous assessment.
 
His Art of the Deal is to see what he can get away with. If he feels he has not made enough, don't pay contractors, specialists or any other subcontractor and then not pay all taxes. Viola, money made.

I think you're stringing people along...
 
Yeah this guy is a rational and thoughtful source.

We see more evidence of Schrodinger's Trump again, in that he's a man who has never read a book through in his life though a few pages ago people were complaining that he's got a collation of Hitler speeches in a book he owns. So he's both a reader of Naziism and a non-reader.

After reading that larger New Yorker piece and a few others, he seems to be saying that he used to be a "sell out hack" (his words, not mine) but now he's turned on Trump so he's a proper journalist again. His main point seems to be that Trump has no attention span because he didn't like endlessly glossing over his history with a ghostwriter; firstly, I don't see the connection between that and "an attention span". There's plenty of people both powerful and not who don't like reminiscing about their past and feel it uncomfortable and a waste of time when they could be doing things in the present. This doesn't mean they lack attention span only that they don't place any importance on speaking about it. Shit, if I had to put up with a ghostwriter taking up hours of my day with banal questions about my childhood and the "we;ll how did that make you feel" spiel then I'd be irritated too. He's drawing conclusions here that are at best unsubstantiated and at worst unfair. Remembering that he's essentially attempting to apply for re-admission to the human race by his own regards, it isn't surprising that he would be doing this.

And if I'm deadly honest, the way that the New Yorker keeps mixing in quotes from the journal in the 1980s with recent quotes without really establishing the change is sneaky as fuck. It makes it sound like at this point our friendly neighbourhood ghostwriter was in some sort of moral panic but it's bollocks if you read it carefully. He wrote in the 1980s that following Trump around all day and listening into his phonecalls was "draining" and "deadening". Those aren't really negative terms about Trump, they're describing that he's knackered. However when they put it next to a recent quote in this paragraph ("completely compulsive"), it changes the association:



This next bit is just fucking cheeky.



In an article which makes the claim that Trump didn't write any of his book and instead the ghostwriter wrote it all as a flattering take on his life, they THEN blame Trump for factual errors that appeared in the book.

But how can that be true? How is Trump responsible for the factually incorrect claims but the ghostwriter is responsible for the rest of the book? Again it's Schrodinger's Trump - simultaneously the author and not the author, whichever is needed in order to criticise him at that exact moment in time.

It's all over the article, these type of strange contradictions:





My general takeaway from that whole thing is not some deeper appreciation of Trump's character, but that the ghostwriter was a highly liberal writer who despite his parent's massive wealth felt "forced" to ghostwrite a book and then years later in 2016 after it has made him an absolute fortune, decided to have a Come to Jesus moment and denounce it as the subject was on the campaign trail because, and again these are his words and not mine, he disagreed with a lot of Trump's policies.

I'm not sure what it is that this is trying to prove to me.
Obviously you've done a detailed analysis of the article and pointed out its flaws, many of which are difficult to argue with.

My take on it is a bit simpler. Trump's words, tweets and actions since the article was published in July last year appear to validate much of what it says about his character.
 
"We see more evidence of Schrodinger's Trump again,"
When you speak of Schrodinger's Trump are you, roughly, talking about the nature of perception? That in some sense 'I' have decided
how I perceive Trump and then look for , and arrange, 'facts' in a way that suit that perception....then hey, Bingo!!! Trump really
is like my perception of him and thus my reading of events surrounding him must therefore be 'true?'
 
Obviously you've done a detailed analysis of the article and pointed out its flaws, many of which are difficult to argue with.

My take on it is a bit simpler. Trump's words, tweets and actions since the article was published in July last year appear to validate much of what it says about his character.

Much of what it says when you strip down the emotional language and the like of, is that he's a ruthless person who has no problem outright lying if he thinks it serves his ultimate goal - whether that be fame, fortune or a deal. It's hard to argue that his actions don't provide supportive evidence for this to varying degrees.

However that's sort of what politics has turned into in the modern world and could be how he convinced 60-odd million people to vote for him. I think a lot of people accept that he's not an honest man, but they hope that he's a principled man. On that count though there's very little evidence either way. Trump has done some great things in his life that have helped thousands of people. He's also done some bad things that have hurt many.

Does he lie just in order to gain his ultimate goal and is that really a huge problem or not? If he lies his way into the Oval Office and when he gets there makes the changes that his supporters want him to then did he justify it? Are his lies exceptional in comparison to others or are they just covered more by the press? Is anybody keeping score?

I don't know the answers to these questions although I do think about them a lot. Great men and women only seem to exist in the minds of fools and fantasists; people are complex and flawed by their nature. Jefferson owned slaves while fighting slavery. JFK had his affairs as did Martin Luther King. Closer to home, Walpole built the modern British political system but probably embezzled millions and bought his way to the top. Churchill defeated Hitler but starved the Indians. Mother Theresa saved but also was grossly cruel to lots of children. There rarely seems to be such things the wholly virtuous or wholly evil.

One thing I will say in Trump's favour is that I honestly believe him to be a person who thinks he knows what's best for the US and is attempting to enact this. Others have suggested he's there to line his own pockets but I don't believe this and think there are MUCH simpler ways of getting about it. I think that he thinks that building a wall is in the best interests of the nation as are many of his other policies. Whether they ARE in the best interests of the US is obviously up for debate, but I can't ever find a rational starting place that people don't believe in something they've worked so hard for for such a length of time. Campaigning for any office isn't easy, the nomination to the Republican Party and then the Presidential Office must be torturous on a 70 year old man who doesn't exactly look to be at peak athletic fitness to begin with.

I don't buy this power grab idea either. The big secret around POTUS is that he's not really that powerful. He's more of the United States PR man and Chief Negotiator with a little bit of power internally, but nothing you'd call overwhelming. The job is prestigious but without the House and Senate behind you you're completely impotent as Obama found in his later years. You can throw all the Executive Orders around that you like but you're just a cog in the machine and they can and are regularly ignored or challenged.

The simplest explanation is that Trump thought that the world was wrong and the Government has some stupid ideas and he wanted to fix them. No doubt he stressed some policies he probably wasn't really a big proponent of and didn't speak about others that he was interested in, but he seems to me to be the type who tries to attack problems by whatever means necessary.

I dunno, I just don't think he's the cartoon character simple cut out that many others do and the press are presenting him as. Like many high profile figures, he getting dehumanised and not being treated as a person but instead as a Disney villain. I can't get behind this. It's wrong.
 
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