General Election June 8th

[SWP's back]

Not true of course but thanks for trying, you sound like the sort who thinks someone who nicks a bottle of wine from Tesco should be locked yet you are happy to shrug your shoulders when corporations and individuals dodge billions in tax ? Strange days indeed

Of course it's true and I'm not going to take much notice of someone that thinks fascists use a capitalist ideology.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

A rise of 7% in Corporation Tax and an increase in the minimum wage will fuck over small business owners like me. Having worked my arse off for several years I'm finally making a profit and thinking of taking on my first employee, however if Labour get in I will have to put any decisions about business growth off for some time.

Good for you. I wouldn't put that employee off mate. You have no worries.

 

[SWP's back]

Exactly my point earlier - communists can claim to be socialists yet not all socialists are communists , by the same token you can link fascism with capitalism - hitler for instance threw the banks out of Germany and set up his own capitalist structure - true or false ?

False. Hitler implemented Keynesian economics and huge infrastructure projects. It was big state and massive public spending. The exact opposite of small state laissez-faire capitalist ideology.

From a economics point of view he was very socialist and incredibly successful.

If he'd managed to stay away from war and genocide then he'd have likely have gone down as one of the most successful leaders of the 20th Century whilst using left of centre economics.

 

[Cheesy]

Good for you. I wouldn't put that employee off mate. You have no worries.

I wish I didn't have any worries mate :-)

When starting a business from scratch those first 4-5 years are like walking a tightrope. You feel as though the slightest thing could ruin you.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I wish I didn't have any worries mate :-)

When starting a business from scratch those first 4-5 years are like walking a tightrope. You feel as though the slightest thing could ruin you.

Keep going it's people like you that make a real difference in this country.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

You're blaming the system of capitalism for 'poverty'? And who is in poverty? Clean water, warm food, shelter and beds to rest. We in this country have no idea what true poverty is. Capitalism is simply the fairest method for allowing the individual the opportunity to help themselves make a better life for themselves, not dependent on anyone else. The harder you work, the greater the reward. That is the essence of capitalism, if businesses or governments are screwing over workers it's the business at fault, not the system itself. But then we have the democratic process to remove governments that are not up to standard or keeping businesses that fail to adhere to fair rules correctly.

Apparently, according to these same statistics, me being on £9,300 a year is a 'poverty wage'. I'm living in poverty because I cannot afford to go abroad on holiday, or own a car or my own home? Really? I can still enjoy the same hobbies, i'm fit and healthy, eat good nutritional food, have clean water to drink and bathe in and I don't feel I have any serious money worries, but i'm still considered to be in poverty. Well, if someone wants to hand me some free money...

If you can tell me how a poor person can work to get themselves out of poverty on another system besides capitalism, i'd love to hear it.

Mate I think your salary is less than the minimum wage? Full time people on minimum wage I thought earned around 13k a year.

 

[cibaman]

Paul Johnson from the IFS has said that it might not be possible to "cost" Labour's manifesto. The changes to tax, spending and borrowing are on such a scale that they would fundamentally change the economy. Some might consider that to be a good thing but it would represent a huge step into the unknown.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

A rise of 7% in Corporation Tax and an increase in the minimum wage will fuck over small business owners like me. Having worked my arse off for several years I'm finally making a profit and thinking of taking on my first employee, however if Labour get in I will have to put any decisions about business growth off for some time.

It sometimes seems to me that Labour & their supporters forget that it's not only multi-million pound Companies who pay Corporation Tax.

Ive still not forgiven Brown for cutting corporation tax for big buiness while raising it for small ones at the same time and claiming credit for his tax cutting measures.

 

[cibaman]

Hes actually right. A couple of years ago i read an article that said only three out of the 100 ftse 100 companies paid their corporation tax at the rate hmrc wanted. The rest used off shore accounting and tax havens with most paying nothing at all. Google Amazon Starbucks Primark Apple Facebook etc are the recently highlighted big businesse doing it but in fact nearly all our suposed own uk registered companies are also doing it. There is very little Corbyn or May could actually do aside from actually lowering corporation tax for very big business thus attracting some back to these shores and increasing the tax take.

There's no such thing as a rate that HMRC want. During every budget statement the Chancellor announces a whole raft of specific taxes and allowances that means that tax rates will vary from sector to sector, business to business. That's why its so difficult to differentiate between "acceptable" tax avoidance (taking advantage of tax incentives deliberately put in place by the government) and aggressive tax avoidance (exploiting loopholes).

 

[bronco]

Of course it's true and I'm not going to take much notice of someone that thinks fascists use a capitalist ideology.

But I didn't actually say that did I ?