General Election June 8th

[SWP's back]

nope, you just throw anything in, in the hope something will stick.

No ken. You simply misused the term "strawman" and then got excited when someone mentioned Nazis and thought that meant Goodwin's Law which I showed it didn't.

Keep trying though and you'll get one right soon. I wouldn't go for "ad hominem" though as it's another term rarely used correctly online, in other words, it's tricky.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

What are Labours plans on long term care?

How much is paid for from the sale of house or estate? Genuine question.

They are proposing a National Care Service. Here's what their manifesto says:

The National Care Service will be built alongside the NHS, with a shared requirement for single commissioning, partnership arrangements, pooled budgets and joint working arrangements. We will build capacity to move quickly towards a joined-up service that will signpost users to all the appropriate services at the gateway through which they arrive.

In its first years, our service will require an additional £3 billion of public funds every year, enough to place a maximum limit on lifetime personal contributions to care costs, raise the asset threshold below which people are entitled to state support, and provide free end of life care. There are different ways the necessary monies can be raised. We will seek consensus on a cross-party basis about how it should be funded, with options including wealth taxes, an employer care contribution or a new social care levy.

At the moment there's a problem because councils sometimes struggle to take on funding commitments from the primary care sector, which leads to bed-blocking. It's far more expensive to keep people in hospital but they have to stay there until councils agree a care plan. I've been through all this with my mum the last few years. Fortunately Bury Council seem to be one of the better ones and are prepared to put in place deferred cost agreements, whereby they pay for some of the funding shortfall but reclaim that when a property is eventually sold, before or after death. What they/you pay is based on a means test but currently you're allowed to keep £23,250 (excluding your home or pension pot). That's for residential care. If you require nursing care, as my mum now does, then the council pays the majority. So they'll pay something like £750 a week but if there's any shortfall then that needs to be funded. My mum's pension covers the gap so there's no issue.

It needs some joined-up thinking and an integrated care service certainly helps in that by bringing everything under one umbrella.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Well faced with a similar situation what do you think Corbyn would do? Is it appropriate to have talks with anyone who seeks to eradicate our country and way of life? Do you think we should of instead considered sitting around a table with Hitler whilst Germany was pummeling our allies in Europe?

If we had Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi the leader of ISIS in plain sight of our drones and we had 5 minutes to make a decision, can you sit easy knowing Corbyn would stop the strike and demand a fair trial for him? This is a man who orders the rape of children, burns gay people and is responsible for a cult destroying the middle east. No doubt you would take the apologist route and blame us for their existence and funnily enough so would Corbyn.

Imagine if it had been our SAS going for Bin Laden and we finally get him in front of someone with a gun and Corbyn has to authorize the hit.... Let's not forget Corbyn said Bin Laden's death (a man who successfully plotted the murder of thousands) was a tragedy. No doubt he would order him to face a trial where he would become a figurehead and live martyr to every terrorist going.

I'm sorry but Corbyn may have his principles and all of that but they do not belong in a world that is not perfect and personally if he wants to sit around a table with ISIS then he is welcome to try... Good luck with that one.

Do you not think there was communication with the Germans during the war? Very odd if you dont.
There is no doubt Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi should be removed from public life, it seems has will be soon anyhow, which will be good news.
From air bombing the middle East from the thirties and overturning governments in the middle East years before ISIS, most people would work out they are there because the environment for it to feed on has been facilitated by the west. Not just me and Corbyn would think that.
May or may not happen, who knows.

 

[SWP's back]

Your point was if someone was sick and out of work - then lets hope they were 'smart' and took income protection or critical illness, in which case why have a NHS ? everyone can just be 'smart' and get various sickness,illness,critical covers

No you fucking idiot.

The NHS makes a poorly person better.

Income protection provides a level of monthly income (capped at 2/3rds of the net income) which starts paying out and replacing income lost to injury or illness from a predetermined date of absence from work (usually between 4 and 52 weeks).

Critical Illness cover pays out a lump sum on diagnosis of a specified critical illness (think heart attack, cancer, dementia, organ transplant - normally 40-50 covered). It's usually recommended to have between two and four years annual salary as a sum assured.

So nothing to fucking do with the NHS or paying for medical bills as I stated. When you're in a hole and over your head, stop digging. You thought you were making a point but you didn't understand the subject matter and make yourself look a bit silly. It happens, don't fret it.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

No ken. You simply misused the term "strawman" and then got excited when someone mentioned Nazis and thought that meant Goodwin's Law which I showed it didn't.

Keep trying though and you'll get one right soon. I wouldn't go for "ad hominem" though as it's another term rarely used correctly online, in other words, it's tricky.

Sadly for you, you showed nothing of the kind.
Now, any other nonsense you want to expand on?

 

[jay_mcfc]

So ?? that just means that what I said about her was fair enough

As does, IMO, the other part of their being a whole different level between people from either side of the conflict being in leading roles within NI and consideration for someone that has actively supported the IRA being the PM of the UK

You are twisting - Corbyn was unable to 'bring himself' to explicitly condemn the IRA

You're insufferable! Would you like to find me evidence of an 'active supporter' of the IRA condemning their use of violence?

 

[SWP's back]

Do you not think there was communication with the Germans during the war? Very odd if you dont.

Erm. There wasn't. The Germans wanted to and flew Rudolf Hess over in 1941 to get talks started and we immediately locked him up in the Tower of London.

 

[mcfc1632]

No it doesn't.
yep just your imo.
No twist, just you trying to twist. ALL, remember ALL, both sides, or are you happy with one side bombing?

Oh yes it does!!! - fun this

No - not having it - the ALL was just him hiding - the question was could he explicitly condemn the IRA - he could not - only hide

It will have been his pre-determined handling strategy - just the same as the way May irritatingly parrots S&S

It gives just enough for his apologists to work with as they squirm

 

[SWP's back]

Sadly for you, you showed nothing of the kind.
Now, any other nonsense you want to expand on?

Educate yourself

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Now once you've read this bit:

Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies)[1][2] is an Internet adage which asserts that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches 1"[2][3]‍—‌that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or his deeds.

Then explain to me how Inbetween 'compared someone or something to Hitler or his deeds'?

 

[mcfc1632]

You're insufferable! Would you like to find me evidence of an 'active supporter' of the IRA condemning their use of violence?

I do not feel inclined to do anything for you - sorry

But off the top of my head, I can only think of one person that has actively supported the IRA putting themselves forward to become the Prime Minister of the UK.

I would expect an awful lot of UK citizens will take offence at that and, accordingly, believe that Corbyn is not a fit and proper person to be considered for the role of PM for that reason alone - it would be enough for me.