We arent talking about saying they cant do it, you are saying that just because people voted for a party that had brexit in the manifesto automatically supports brexit, thats what is nonsense, huge numbers of voters for both parties will be remainers. Voter can vote on Thursday and change their mind on Friday nobody pledges anything.
if you voted for Labour, you voted for the manifesto which included leaving the EU with no movement.
If you didnt like that policy, shouldn't have voted for it. Was always the Lib Dems to vote for.
why then are lots of remainers saying that this election means we dont want a hard brexit ? i agree this election was about lots of different issues btw.
That's the way I feel too. If we don't leave the single market and the customs union etc then I wouldn't feel I would have anything left to vote for.
On that 'logic', very few would have voted for anyone, as I doubt many agreed with every manifesto point.
It is, as I said, bunk.
No it does not - and frankly that is such a crap post I cannot be arsed to reply in any way that takes any effort.'
Except:
The European Union are bound by the EU treaty to reach an agreement within two years.
The European Union are bound by European Unon law to act in "good faith" in all their negotiatoins.
The Euroapen Union are bound by European Union law and the ECJ and cannot enforce unfair terms in a contract.
The fact that you ignore or are unaware of such basic points undermines your credibility completely, in this thread.
That's daft. Voters don't vote for everything in a party manifesto. You just can't object when the government fulfils its manifesto promises (or the Lords throw stuff out).except they do, that's why parties put manifestos there. Vote for us, and we'll do this. If you do a Lib Dem 2010 and renege, you get fucked, as would Corbyn if he broke his pledge on Brexit.
16% of the voting population decided remaining in the EU was important enough to vote for, the other 84% whether they were remain or leave have voted to get on with Brexit.
That's daft. Voters don't vote for everything in a party manifesto. You just can't object when the government fulfils its manifesto promises (or the Lords throw stuff out).
Technically the freedom of movement bit was not a pledge in the Brexit section but a comment in the Immigration section about what happens when we leave the EU.
You surely don't think that 84% of people still really want Brexit. Most voters rejected the invitation to vote for a strong and stable negotiating stance with the threat of hard Brexit.
Sorry mate - it was you claiming that the result meant that 84% want Brexit but now you're saying Brexit was hardly talked about as a factor.Most voters rejected May because she was a terrible leader not because of her Brexit stance. People voted for all sorts of other reasons as well, so how can you say most voters rejected a hard Brexit ? Brexit was barely even talked about pre election from either party. The conservatives on a hard Brexit stance also won the most votes and got the most seats.... I'd say the majority of people do want Brexit, but are arguing over the type of Brexit.
Sorry mate - it was you claiming that the result meant that 84% want Brexit but now you're saying Brexit was hardly talked about as a factor.
The polls on Brexit suggest that half of those who voted remain are firmly still against while half still think we should remain but accept the referendum result. What they don't seem to ask is, had the vote had been narrowly to remain, would leavers now be split between those wanting out and those respecting the result?
Now that young people can be arsed getting out of bed to vote, and on the basis that May "lost" on a platform of giving her free rein on Brexit negotiations, I think I'd expect to see the number of Remain voters "going along with the referendum result" diminish because the result doesn't now look quite so legitimate. Perhaps crucially, it would be good to know whether the Reduced Tory Party (with its MPs still largely at heart pro-Remain) would elect another leader prepared to threaten "no deal is better than a bad deal". Would Boris stand on his stupid "you can have your cake and eat it" bit of nonsense?
When we have the autumn general election, how about an EU referendum at the same time? (May could then campaign properly for Remain!)