Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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For me the issue is not so much whether the super rich pay their taxes or not. The big issue is whether they spend enough of their money.

If you redistributed all Branson's money to the poorest million in the country they would probably spend all of it. In pubs, shops, restaurants etc

This is good for the economy. Branson has so much money he can't spend even a fraction of it. The super rich stockpiling money is not good for the economy and this is why the sort of inequality we are seeing now is counterproductive.

Inheritance tax is 40%. Which is why the National Trust owns most of the stately homes in the country. Eventually no-one can afford the inheritance tax bill and they have to sell their homes.

You can hoard your money all your life, but in the end the state gets its 40%, and than 30 years later when your kids diem they get 40% of what they have. etc. Seems about right to me.
 
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I'm not linking to the Sun but I had to check how Boris could call the election a "stunning achievement".

Boris writes:
"Theresa May led a campaign that inspired 13.7 m people to vote Conservative, in the biggest total tally of Tory votes since the days of Margaret Thatcher.

"That is a stunning achievement, for which she deserves the support of her party."

Crucial words missing "for now".
 
The current news clips of Saint Teresa with that necklace of huge chain links, the grey hair and dried out painted face and I can't help thinking she looks like a Maester from Game of Thrones.

Stopped me thinking she looks like the Emperor's twin sister from Star Wars.
 
Forgive me a little giggle for you not being in power AGAIN then. Hehehehe.

It is getting tedious. But, having said that, the party I voted for up here are. Winning more seats than the unionist parties combined, but we lost too apparently.

What Mayday would give for having more seats than all the others combined.

What a funny world we live in.
 
May is toast. Dead woman walking. The dichotomy for Labour supporters has been played out in this thread. Stick with Corbyn, an old school leftie who espouses the traditional values of the original Labour movement. Despite that appearing unpalatable to many voters. Or choose a more moderate candidate who tries taking centre ground to make the party more likely to be elected.

Personally, I want the party to stick to its core values even if that make them less electable. Others will argue that you should be centrist to have the best chance of government. It's an interesting debate for Labour supporters
For me the issue for the Labour party is to be honest - which their manifesto was not.

IMO - They are currently a party setting out a set of lies in their manifesto to make them 'appear' electable
 
I don't despise the left, I'm an active part of it you clown. What I despise are people who want to "wait for the right Government".

I think you're not only arrogant but infinitely worse than this you're cruel. You dare to tell the disadvantaged, the underprivileged and those in poverty that you're fighting for them while purposely serving up policy that you KNOW will never be electable. Rather than attempting to help them, you tell them that they can only be helped on YOUR terms, when the ideology is right for YOU. It's disgusting. Grotesque. A act of vindictive evilness to give hope to the suffering when you have no intention of honouring it. No intention of compromise so that they can live in a little less discomfort. It's always all about you lot and your special little principles that are SO moral that everybody else has to wait and instead heat their houses with the warm glow of your ethical smugness.

If a Tory Government lines up tomorrow that will fund public services to a world class degree, pursue a progressive social agenda and invest in downtrodden communities infrastructure then I'd vote for them in a heartbeat. I'd vote for pretty much any party in the world who would do that. Because it's not about me, not about handwringing about tie colours.

Because it's about making the people who are fucked, less fucked and doing it right now instead of "waiting for the right Government". All of your lot on the far left are a bunch of jumped up self righteous tossers. You are fucking useless to me.

Even better explanation than your previous excellent post.

Surely even the 'hard of understanding' can now get it
 
For "update security policy" read make drastic cuts. The biggest cuts to the armed forces have been under the Tories in the late 50s, mid 90s and since 2010. Now I expect a peace dividend from the end of the Cold War and I've got no problem with a policy of not always going to go looking for wars to fight but don't pretend that it's Labour governments who have "decimated" the armed forces.
Labour signed the contract for the 2 useless aircraft carriers, and if you go back further they massively screwed our our aircraft manufacturing industry with the complete mismanagement of the TSR2 project.

Arguments on both sides.
 
Many hundreds will go and work abroad if that is the case. Hell the way Jeremy Hunt treated the Junior Doctors many are already considering just this.

Seriously though, do you have any idea how much work a junior doctor does? They put in extra hours to make sure patients get good treatment and treatment notes are written up for the next shift - well above and beyond what they should do by law. This article says it all though my daughter would say she does between 55 and 70 hours a week on average.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...100-hour-weeks-despite-European-laws-BMA.html

And all this for a pretty poor salary for their qualifications and intelligence. All my daughter's piers have been on twice the Salary she's on for nigh on 8 years. It's clawed back a bit now she's a top grade registrar but it won't get any better till she's a consultant (though she will probably never earn as a consultant as she will go into teaching at med school).

I work for the NHS, I see it for my own eyes how tired doctors are. I see how many clinics they have to trudge through based on 20 min slots. I've seen how doctors have to run clinics at 2 different hospitals and have have multiple skills in specialist areas. I have also seen how tired doctors, covering many areas due to lack of support, failed my brother in the New Year, misdiagnosing him or opting to let him pass due to other 'more serious incidents'.

Like a man having classic symptoms of a heart attack isn't serious??

What I'm saying is that the NHS can't afford to lose the physicians it trains to other private hospitals, here or abroad. I think the NHS should hold a registration for a time and that if a doctor goes to to anywhere else within a period of time, then that establishment should pay for that doctor's training percentage-wise from full to partial stages of registration.

A transfer fee, if you will.

Doctors get support from more doctors, less tired doctors regain their faculties and make less mistakes, clinic burdens are eased, the waiting time comes down, if a private hospital head hunts a doctor then they pay for the whole training and that goes back into the system for another doctor, 'sic pace'.

I think it's a self replenishing idea and moves us forward.
 
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