Dunkirk ( the film )

[Bill Walker]

'Cos their governments have always been duplicitous, dissembling bastards. They've never got over the battering they took at Waterloo!

More likely they didnt like it when we sunk their navy in WW2

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Some of the other countries you menation supported Jewish deportation - and with domestic police. Isn't that supporting the aims of the Nazis?

A pretty central aim too.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

More likely they didnt like it when we sunk their navy in WW2

Which, because of the total embracing of Nazi policy by the sitting government made it highly
probable that the French navy would be used against British forces. Churchill, quite rightly, ordered the British navy to destroy it.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Some of the other countries you menation supported Jewish deportation - and with domestic police. Isn't that supporting the aims of the Nazis?

Yes, of course it is, as I've said collaboration would be present in all occupied countries, France actually formed
a government with the aims of complicit acceptance of Nazi policy.

 

[Xiphos]

Yes, of course it is, as I've said collaboration would be present in all occupied countries, France actually formed
a government with the aims of complicit acceptance of Nazi policy.

Very true, the war time activites of the Vichy French government still divides France even today, the Vichy government even formed their own paramilitary police called the Milice, they were notorious collaborators who the Gestapo and SD used to do their dirty work in rounding up members of the French resistance, British SOE and American OSS agents working in France
The SS also used the Milice to hunt down Jewish families who went into hiding, towards the end of the war when the Allies started liberating France a lot of Milice fled to Germany and were formed into the Charlemagne SS division who fought on the Russian front and were among the last fanatical defenders of Berlin, those captured were handed over to the French and executed after the war

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Just back from seeing it.

What á tedious borefest!

Just ship loads men, ship gets bombed, men overboard some die, repeat ad nauseum with a few fripperies thrown in like a completely unnecessary grounded trawler bit and a gliding Spifire that must have ridden thermals better than a buzzard.

Never seen a film with so little dialogue. Suited Rylance down to a t.

 

[Vic]

Which, because of the total embracing of Nazi policy by the sitting government made it highly
probable that the French navy would be used against British forces. Churchill, quite rightly, ordered the British navy to destroy it.

We sank their ships even before the Vichy government was formed, let alone embraced Nazi policy. Stop reading stuff back into situations.

Having agreed an armistice with the Germans, including the retention of the fleet, the French would actually have seemed it dishonourable to do what the British wanted. Of course we didn't trust the Germans, so gave the French various options, of which the last was that we'd have to take action to prevent the ships falling into German hands.

Maybe it was done "quite rightly". The British vice-admiral in command didn't think so. We weren't at war with France.

 

[TCIB]

The film did not convey the desperation well imo, the whole film felt very shallow. Sad as it could be the greatest movie ever made if they did it right.

 

[urban genie]

Vichy was though a southern based government the Germans occupied the north of France.

The biggest error on the french (and ourselves) side was not attacking the Siegfried line in 39 when the main German force was still in Poland and the old defences were in disrepair.
The phoney war where the germans sat on one side and the BEF and France with the largest land army in Europe waiting around giving the Germans the chance to march round the main allied force sitting idle and attack from the south, add that to us dithering about what to do in Scandinavia.

Yes the french surrendered and members of the them ruling government signed the amistice and stayed in government.

But as with WW1 incompitence from the British and French generals amd governments led to the circumstances.

We did a lot of things that went against our allies,(betraying the Greek partisans for one) sinking the french fleet at toulon was on the free french orders though

 

[FantasyIreland]

The film did not convey the desperation well imo, the whole film felt very shallow. Sad as it could be the greatest movie ever made if they did it right.

I've got to agree,it was slightly disappointing in terms of its impact.Im not sure I enjoyed the IMAX experience either.
7/10