Abortion

Interesting contribution to the arguments here could be the piece I am watching on TV News at the moment. Its about deaths during birth and the coroners involvement - if a baby is born and takes just one breath then in law it was a person and becomes a deceased person who's death requires a coroners inquest. So in that case in law you do not become a person until you draw breath. Still births are not subject to an inquest because the child never breathed and so never became a person.
 
I agree with having a threshold of X weeks.

I don't agree with most that it's "women's rights" thing. I don't think any sane man wants to put women down though abortion laws. I think it has to do with trying to be fair to all the parties. Because they are human beings.

After X weeks the welfare of the unborn child should matter but the life of the mother should always be weighted much much much higher. So the decision should lie with doctors rather than mothers, fathers or lawyers. And these doctors should specialize in this area so it always gets proper focus and expertise.

But I don't think mental health should figure as a threat to life (except in very rare cases).

Sorry if my opinion offends anyone but I think we are all entitled to have an opinion without being shouted down.
(Unless it's Trump supporters)
 
Fred_Quimby said:
So, when does life begin? If I go out and kill someone I am put away, rightly so at what point do i not get put away? When my wife was pregnant she felt the baby move very early on is this not life? Not getting on a high horse just interested in others views.
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If you intend to keep the baby, then the baby's existence becomes very life like from the moment you know you are pregnant. I suppose if you intend to abort, you would feel differently.
 
Absolutely pro choice. It's the woman's body she can do what she wants with it and it should be no one else's business. Think it's disgusting seeing the other side of the argument try and guilt or shame women about their choice. Especially disgusting seeing them tell rape victims to keep the baby.
 
after having a lengthy argument on this in the past with a very angry Fetlocks, I'm pro-choice, but I wouldn't particularly wish well any woman who had one without their partner's agreement/consent, and decided arbitrarily. Her body yes, but it isn't just her baby (rapes, abuse etc. in a different category and completely different context).
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Devil’s advocate: So, if I got my wife pregnant and I was ecstatic, but she decided, in week 23, that she had had enough and terminated it, I have no say and no recourse?

BTW, just passed a new law in States that says 20 weeks, because they believe the fetus can feel pain after then. Chiseling away at Roe vs Wade...
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Agreed that thats the grey area, but still cant envisage a world in which a woman is made to carry a baby to full term at the request of the father/court system if she was adamant she didnt want it.
 
The world doesn't need more unwanted people.


But, coincidentally, I read this the other day, powerful stuff.

Diary of an Unborn Child

OCTOBER 5 Today my life began. My parents do not know it yet, I am as small as a seed of an apple, but it is I already. And I am to be a girl. I shall have blond hair and blue eyes. Just about everything is settled though, even the fact that I shall love flowers.

OCTOBER 19 Some say that I am not a real person yet, that only my mother exists. But I am a real person, just as a small crumb of bread is yet truly bread. My mother is. And I am.

OCTOBER 23 My mouth is just beginning to open now. Just think, in a year or so I shall be laughing and later talking. I know what my first word will be: MAMA.

OCTOBER 25 My heart began to beat today all by itself. From now on it shall gently beat for the rest of my life without ever stopping to rest! And after many years it will tire. It will stop, and then I shall die.

NOVEMBER 2 I am growing a bit every day. My arms and legs are beginning to take shape. But I have to wait a long time yet before those little legs will ruise me to my mother's arms, before these little arms will be able to gather flowers and embrace my father.

NOVEMBER 12 Tiny fingers are beginning to form on my hands. Funny how small they are! I'll be able to stroke my mother's hair with them.

NOVEMBER 20 It wasn't until today that the doctor told mom that I am living here under her heort. Oh, how happy she must be! Are you happy, mom?

NOVEMBER 25 My mom and dad are probably thinking about a name for me. But they don't even know that I am a little girl. I want to be called Kathy. I am getting so big already.

DECEMBER 10 My hair is growing. It is smooth and bright and shiny. I wonder what kind of hair mom has.

DECEMBER 13 I am just about able to see. It is dark around me. When mom brings me into the world it will be full of sunshine and flowers. But what I want more than anything is to see my mom. How do you look, mom?

DECEMBER 24 I wonder if mom hears the whispering of my heart? Some children come into the world a little sick. But my heart is strong and healthy. It beats so evenly tup-tup tup-tup. You'll have a healthy little daughter, mom!

DECEMBER 28 Today my mother killed me.
 
Too many people in the world as it is, I'm all for it. They should increase the limit for them to be aborted to around 30 years old
 
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