The US is a great example with 10-20 million "illegals" (no one knows) as for Aus and Canada, big empty countries with huge natural resources sitting alone and in trade arrangements with much bigger countries , also both are attracting immigrants from the Pacific ring where they now look to and taking in Australia's case approx 1% of the population every year.Racist ;-)
The inner a can give you facts , the reality is today, look around you, look at trade figures, look at the economy. If we stay that is what is there, tomorrow will be like today. Inner a don't need to make up what will happen if we stay in as we are in. It's like asking someone to prove the sun will come up tomorrow and set tomorrow night.
There is no British interest that's the hilarity of it, there are a multitude of interest groups and governments act in the interests of a few and disinterested of many the idea of national interest is one of the biggest cons there is, maybe it was an apt term during the Battle of Britain but 99.9% of the time it is just a politicians term to silence dissent and to try and avoid questionsOur trade with Europe is falling ( Every year since 1999 ONS) today, the EU economy is showing little growth and certainly not better than the UK if not even a bit less ( Again depending who to believe and what numbers you look at) today, while within the EU the PIG countries as well as France and Italy are all but bankrupt
Of far more importance is to look at the changes both on stated aims and application of common sense, the EU is pushing towards a full federal state where as an example the British army will become a part of an EU army (Article 42 ) and the Euro will become compulsory.
There is the question of if the EU is even stable, there are major political shifts to the right in almost every member state, Austria & Hungary have closed their borders, Poland have refused point blank to take any migrants no matter what the EU dictates, yet not only do the migrants keep coming but a further planed EU expansion adds 77 million Turks to the mix from oct 2016 ( Visa free travel as part of the deal that gave Turkey 3 billion to tighten up border control).
These are NOT in the main skilled workers adding to productivity, but economic migrants where even a minimum wage is a huge leap up in living standard, so how will adding these kind of numbers no matter how spread out around Europe ( Difficult because the ethnic groups themselves are forming ghettos leading to social unrest in those area`s, as well as member states refusing to take the numbers ) do anything except drag down the living standards of the native populations without friction.
We are voting for far more than a few meaningless figures of a dubious nature, self determination in an ever changing world where the elected government put the British interest first, rather than ruled by a committee of people all with a different agenda, none of which will be the UKs best interest.
Have you got the lottery numbers for this weekend?No being in the EU means we maintain a voice as we decline to 6th 7th 8th which given growth, demographics, technology etc is inevitable
There is no British interest that's the hilarity of it, there are a multitude of interest groups and governments act in the interests of a few and disinterested of many the idea of national interest is one of the biggest cons there is, maybe it was an apt term during the Battle of Britain but 99.9% of the time it is just a politicians term to silence dissent and to try and avoid questions
A press release form the EU yesterday reminds us that the accession of Turkey to EU membership is to be 're-energised' and will 'continue at an accelerated pace'.
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-16-1664_en.htm
Turkey would rapidly become the EU's most populous country, and part of Asia directly connected to the war torn, terrorist infested middle east and about as big as the UK and France combined would be in the 'European' Union.
I think your quote misrepresents the article somewhat, which is a lengthy and detailed press relese with only a single line in there about re-energized and accelerated pace.
The ft's analysis is not so enthusiastic, citing the umpteen obstacles to a visa-waiver, let alone EU membership.
<I can't post the link since the FT just re-routes it, trying to flog you a subscription>
Google FT Brussels prepares legal groundwork on visa-free travel for Turks
So, you have no idea what would happen if we left then? I understand your logic that at least we know what we're getting with the EU, but the same logic would have prevented the wright brothers from experimenting with their lighter than air flying machines. The journey to Australia would be a fair bit slower.The inner a can give you facts , the reality is today, look around you, look at trade figures, look at the economy. If we stay that is what is there, tomorrow will be like today. Inner a don't need to make up what will happen if we stay in as we are in. It's like asking someone to prove the sun will come up tomorrow and set tomorrow night.
It is the outers who pretend to give facts but facts to them is a series of hopeful calls on Europe needing us desperately and going out of their way to give us a better deal than before and that somehow outside of trade deals with Europe, US and the pacific Britain will magically sail along having been handed everything. It is Sturgeon optimism , I didn't believe her on Scotland and I don't believe the brexit optimism either. I don't think Scotland would have collapsed had they voted out but I don't believe it would have been good for them.
How many lines should it take to say that the accession process for Turkey is to be re-energised and is to continue at an accelerated pace?
One is entirely sufficient, and if the EU chooses to bury it away in the middle of a large press release then what does that matter?
There are 35 'chapters' to be agreed for Turkey's accession to EU membership and the press release says that work will re-start on chapter 33.
EU membership for Turkey is very much back on the agenda.
Turkey's government recently took over a critical newspaper and turned it into a pro-government one, and journalists are regulalry arrested in Turkey.
Something to bear in mind while deciding how to vote in our referendum.