Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

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  1. mcfc1632

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    In the circumstances leading up to these negotiations, it may indeed be as you suggest – that I love undertones because I am unable to recognise the bleedin obvious

    Your opinion and you are welcomed to it. I stated that my views posted were my opinion - must you seek to suppress any opinions that you do not agree with

    A further opinion of mine is that you repeatedly demonstrate to us all that you do not have even the slightest ability to think outside your very very narrow prejudices and a very very limited ability to analyse matters and draw objective conclusions.

    Whereas doing such objective analysis of emerging information (including the ability to read ‘undertones’) and drawing up negotiating plans based on them is what I have done for a living for many successful years.

    Based on that experience I would say that you are simply without any of the attributes required for people to consider your ramblings to be anything other than blustering nonsense.

    Anyway, get on with it but, frankly, there are people on here who’s view of my credibility to comment on negotiations I would be particularly interested in – you are most certainly not one of them. A while ago, when you did one of your flouncing departures, you also stated that you were not going to respond to me again. Re this latter point can you not for once just deliver on something you say?

    Or if you must respond – why not respond to the negotiating question I put to you but which you are dodging – understandably IMO, as whilst you have only a very narrow ability to assess matters, it might just stretch to understanding that you would embarrass yourself
     
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  2. mcfc1632

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    What do they look like from the POV of someone that has their head so far up the EU's arse?
     
  3. mcfc1632

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    TBF - that is as good as fumble can get at reading 'undertones'

    It is flawed because it is limited from a thought process that has only 3 steps

    1. That comment I do not like as it is counter to my passion - I must immediately trash it

    2. I will do that by making a witheringly (in his mind) snide comment that will put the offender down where he/she belongs

    3. Is there a silly GIF or picture I can post as well?
     
  4. Mëtal Bikër

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    4. Nothing has worked, they are still debating me! Resort to 'Hail Mary' of insulting them personally.
     
  5. The perfect fumble

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    Are you talking to yourself again? What are you on about?
     
  6. The perfect fumble

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    I'm too busy undermining the British way of life to reply now, I'll get back to you after I've finished lacing my local Tesco's Cornish pasties with evil smelling garlic.
     
  7. The perfect fumble

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    Interesting article in the FT....

    https://www.ft.com/content/170ba108-1ee1-11e7-a454-ab04428977f9

    Britain will have to budge and make concessions despite howls of protest

    Brexit is bad news, but in a happy scenario, the UK and the EU 27 will come away with an agreement that they believe serves their respective interests reasonably well. The alternative is worse: Britain leaves in poor grace and remains in the EU’s bad books for a long time.....

    In any case, while there was no truth in Theresa May’s boast in January that “no deal is better than a bad deal”, the sentiment is closer to reality for the EU 27 than it is for the UK. So, to get an agreement, which Britain needs, it must make concessions.....

    The EU demand for a financial divorce settlement is reasonable in principle and objectively small, but has already met stiff resistance in government....

    Mrs May understands this logic well. She has highlighted the loss of influence Britain will suffer over the EU......

    It is not her only concession. The prime minister has accepted that a trade agreement will be negotiated only after Brexit. There was never any doubt about this, but the acknowledgment is valuable in bringing the two sides closer together. She has also come close to agreeing Britain will remain in the customs union and bound by single market rules, including free movement of people, for a transition period after Britain leaves the EU (so long as people call it an “implementation period”). The UK has little choice in the matter as it could not set up functioning customs and work permit systems within two years, so it was wise to make a virtue out of necessity.....

    At some stage soon, Britain will have to face these facts. It will also have to agree not to turn itself into a tax haven or seek to be a European business hub based on lax social and environmental regulation — this would be a bad basis for a favourable modern trade deal with any other country. It is not yet clear whether the British government fully understands the logic of Brexit negotiations. Behind the rhetoric of mutual advantage, it needs to make many concessions if it wants to maintain preferential access to European markets outside the EU. If Mrs May can face down the inevitable domestic howls, she will put herself in a position to make the best of a bad job.
    ...........................

    What about Rule Britannia, Red, White and Blue Brexit, this green and pleasant land free and sovereign, the centre of global free trade?

    The FT! What a bunch of snivelling socialists! What's all this best of a bad job nonsense eh? Can't they read the undertones? They're traitors to their class!
     
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  8. smudgedj

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    Ah That will be be the Financial Times whose editor was appointed a Chevalier in the Ordre National de la Légion d’Honneur in honor of his anti Brexit stance.
     
  9. Len Rum

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    You sound a tad optimistic ( some might say delusional) in your assessment of the EU softening it's negotiating stance.
    Still as they say whatever turns you on.
     
  10. The perfect fumble

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    So it must be bullshit then.
     
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