Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

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  1. Len Rum

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    The name's Rum, Len Rum.
    You didn't seek to justify your la la land proposal for our post Brexit free trade deal.
    Not to worry.
    By the way I think India has overtaken us in the world economic rankings, maybe France as well, not sure if we're sixth or seventh now.
     
  2. Chippy_boy

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    If the UK leaving was to be the catalyst for other countries leaving, how much money do you think the EU would lose? Do you think it will be on their minds? Very high up on the agenda of the political leaders is keeping the EU project on track and I think they place ENORMOUS value on that.

    We'd be wise to remember that we are only 1 export market for the EU, and in the great scheme of things, not that significant. I am constantly told by optimistic Brexiters, that Germany wears the trousers and Germany gets what it wants (despite a trade deal needing majority support of 20 member states). But only 7.4% of Germany's exports go to the UK. If 7.4% of their output is subject to a (say) 10% tariff, and we imagine that perhaps their sales to the UK went down by 10% as a result, they'd lose 0.7% of their exports.

    (And that assumes that Germany's exports to other EU countries don't go up as a consequence of less competition from now more expensive UK goods.)

    Whereas on the other hand, if they agree to offer the UK a trade deal which is broadly better than what other EU countries enjoy (no free movement of labour, no or reduced subs, no supremecy of European courts, no compliance with EU legislation) and yet with tariff free access to the EU markets, what possible incentive is there for other EU countries not to seek to leave?

    Agreeing a deal like this could be the catalyst for the collapse of the entire EU project. I think Germany would regard that as being VERY much more expensive than having 7% of its exports subject to a trade tariff.
     
  3. BimboBob

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    Anyone here like the Human League?
    Christ! The rest of this post is well thought out and written. hats off. The bold bit though...

    That's as scary as fuck. World Government? You can't even trust the fuckers on a local government scale, how would a world version be accountable?
     
  4. I'm looking for my leopard skin thong and will do the selfie after dinner
     
  5. Damocles

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    Pretty much the same way that the EU works with a replacement from the European Commission into a democratic Upper and Lower House structure then expanded.

    It's pretty silly that we have a Parliament now that represents one in ~70,000 people when we live in a digital world. You can do your taxes online, view medical records, and transfer millions of pounds. But democracy somehow still needs to be represented by only a few.

    Also, a one world Government would mean a shared legislative frameworks and potentially shared public services. The crimes we see in the developing world would be actually punished which would hasten their growth into fully realised economies. Education would span, there would be very little need for a military because who you going to fight when there's no other countries, we could roll out the health service to Africa and the Mid East, there would be social safety nets for the whole world.

    In addition it would kickstart unions again where labour movements could unionise across continents in a single framework which would actually stop some of the globalisation issues we see where other markets don't have minimum wage, there would be no barriers to trade, we'd share energy and other natural resources.

    This will never happen in my lifetime and has a significant amount of downsides to it aswell but eventually the human race will probably decide that this is the best way forward. When everybody shares resources everybody wins. We have an economic case for international aid because growing their economies means that the so called third world will eventually become rich enough to buy our goods and services too. Co-operation is mutually beneficial. A one world Government would be the apex of cooperation.
     
  6. Chippy_boy

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    I'm wholeheartedly in favour of representational systems of democracy.

    1. People don't always have the time to dedicate to fully considering complex questions whilst at the same time doing a full time job and/or having other demands on your time.
    2. Not everyone has the intellectual capacity either. (Not very PC to say, but patently true. If average IQ is 100 then by the very definition some people are below 100 and some very well below.) Pretty pointless asking people to decide on matters they cannot adequately comprehend.
    3. Sometimes decisions which are not popular are nevertheless in our best interest and if left to "micro referendums" such decisions might not be taken.

    The idea that we let everyone have a vote on all sorts of subjects - let alone on a majority of subjects, or god forbid all subjects - is completely abhorrent to me. I'm very happy to be represented by my MP, who incidentally until recently was not even from the party I vote for.
     
  7. Len Rum

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    The name's Rum, Len Rum.
    If this was Just a Minute those last two posts would have been struck off for deviation from the subject.
     
  8. AlgarveBlu

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    passporting of financial services post Brexit will be the major battlefield and I expect a lot of blood will be shed by both sides on this issue sue to the sheer magnitude that this sector contributes to UK GDP - Tough one because if the UK can get free access it will undermine the whole concept of the single market and set a precedent
     
  9. BimboBob

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    Anyone here like the Human League?
    Sounds horrendous. So you would do away with every countries identity in a flash. I'm also sure religion would rear it's ugly head and nothing would be decided. Ever.
     
  10. sir baconface

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    Had to put my foot down, m'lud, as I needed a shit
    52.1% say get the deed done.

    If she's reluctant to blow, try tempting her with fishing rights.
     

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