Chinese OSCs inc. Shenzhen Blues + Sun Jihai + China tours

I know what you're saying and it's an interesting idea, but it strikes me that CFG probably wouldn't want to do it that way. CFG aren't just doing this in order to plant the flag in as many territories as possible, they're doing it to make points - that they run the best teams, are the best at fan interactions, that they provide the best environments for female players. Additionally they are doing it as part of a self-appointed mission to build football in countries where it doesn't already dominate, which is another reason why they are all-in on women's football.

I just can't see them being happy to delegate that out to people they can't control. The franchise model is fine so long as the people in charge are good at their jobs. When they're not so good at their jobs then your one shot at building your name in the territory goes up the spout.

For big companies like McDonald's and Subway then that's fine - when you have five restaurants in the same town then your customers just go to the one half a mile away. In football, though, with its rules against multiple teams which are linked to the same owners not being allowed to compete in the same competitions (see Chelsea and Vitesse Arnhem) then the franchise can become your one shot at capturing the hearts and minds of an entire continent.

Not to mention that making it clear that you're only licensing a franchise makes it look like you are less committed to make a difference and more committed to squeezing as much money out of football as possible, which is a whole extra negative publicity area in itself...

The franchise idea is that every store you go to should be identical despite being owned/managed by completely different people. We're never going to have tens of clubs, let alone thousands, so not the same but the principal stands - allow someone else to use the CFG name to get access to training, culture, best practice but without the Sheikh having to spend any money. We'd need to pick the partner carefully to make sure they don't ruin the brand, but it's perfectly possible we could attract fans without having to spend.

I'm not really interested in Australian or American football, but if it happens to be on, I'll be cheering on New York or Melbourne. I've spent my life as a fan of one club yet suddenly find myself supporting a multi-national. The Premier League is still the biggest draw, so why not get a proportion of a billion Chinese to support MCFC? Being successful will help, but being part of a group which includes your own local club ties you in that bit more. We didn't need to sell shares in the group to a Chinese media mogul to raise capital, we may never really see the cash at the football level, despite the press suggestion that we'd spend it on Messi etc. What it gave us was unprecedented access to China and that market, so what are we going to do with it? More than Barca, Real, the rags have, but what? It'll be interesting to watch.
 
The current owning or owning part of clubs works why would they change this to a franchise model ?

Surely rather than franchise the ideas etc they would rather sell them or pass them on to partner clubs and we could raid them for the best Chinese kids for our academy and get info on potential sponsors

Given that we are only going to have a limited number of clubs franchising seems an odd route

Also the cash injection suggest that we are buying clubs or building HUGE academies not franchising or selling info
 
Partnership clubs in what sense? If you mean that one controls the other, they wouldn't be allowed to play in the same league so there'd really be no purpose to buying Renhe.


Is going for a lesser team not exactly what they did with Melbourne City?

Maybe Beijing's teams recognise they need to bridge a gap between youth and first team players.

I think principally China is a commercial deal and one where the white knights rides in and saves the damsel in distress. Technical expertise in a country with a highly boggled set of international rules and regulations does go a long way.
 
Maybe Beijing's teams recognise they need to bridge a gap between youth and first team players.

I think principally China is a commercial deal and one where the white knights rides in and saves the damsel in distress. Technical expertise in a country with a highly boggled set of international rules and regulations does go a long way.

OK, but I'm still not sure what exactly you are suggesting. Are you suggesting that we buy Renhe, CITIC gives us some control over Guoan and we basically operate them as a condominium? Are you suggesting that they are already cooperating and that Renhe's owners are in on it? Are you suggesting that CFG will do nothing except sell its "football services" brand expertise? Why are we suddenly discussing two clubs here rather than just one? I don't recall any rumour saying we wanted to own two clubs in the same league (which, again, FIFA rules prohibit except under exceptional circumstances).

To my mind I don't think the Renhe rumours are true, not least because their owners only just relocated the club in this current off-season - I can't see why they would do that if they were looking to sell up; it's like the old adage that you don't play a player you are trying to sell, except in this case there's also an added element of that it's a complete waste of infrastructure money involved in the relocation that the old owners just paid and will not recoup in the sale process.
 
I believe several top flight clubs here are looking at loaning their players to China League 1 and China League 2 clubs in partnerships. A suggestion in the local press mentioned Guoan and Renhe could be an ideal partnership because the latter can never really command crowds having no historic fanbase regionally. Partnerships in the same country don't mean ownership or control. All across China there are stadia, academy facilities and infrastructure just laying dormant. It is all speculation and debate until after the Chines New Year (8/2/16) and may not happen until the International Champions Cup 2016 (announced here and on MCFC.co.uk) is in full motion. The other team annoucements shall follow.

"Fans can expect imminent announcements of the other participating clubs for ICC China 2016, as well as host cities and venues." It is likely to run from 23/7/16 across Shanghai and Beijing.

The year of the monkey carries the lucky colours of blue and gold. Here's to smething positive.

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We really ought to be able to use the massive Chinese investment to get a substantial amount of charges for marketing coaching player development and scouting know how. We need all the funds we can get to give Pep proper chance in Europe given the price of certain players we might want and the age of some of your players.
 
Scouting partnerships are key right now. Chinese clubs can only bag 4 foreigners from outside of Asia. "Hey Pelle/Pep/whoever, we need steel in midfield and a leader? Who do you have that needs to move on? Who can you suggest? Yaya Toure?" [Tongue in cheek, everyone is having a pop... and why not, right now?!]
With Uwe, Dickov, Viera and co in management, what price that one day Sun Jihai returns as defensive coach or manager? In the international world we live in now, everything is possible and City should always look at avenues if possible PR, commercial or knowledge gain. This is and should remain our hour for some time.
 
We really ought to be able to use the massive Chinese investment to get a substantial amount of charges for marketing coaching player development and scouting know how. We need all the funds we can get to give Pep proper chance in Europe given the price of certain players we might want and the age of some of your players.
Is that what they call a Freudian slip?
 
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...news/manchester-city-set-strike-rich-10863147

“What doesn't seem to have been picked up on quite as much as it might have been is that CMC have huge exposure in China in terms of TV rights. And that's one market no Premier League club has really got hold of."

On top of the MEN article above, I submitted a piece to a national newspaper in China and a magazine in Hong Kong, awaiting translation and publication. A rival, and Man U fan, who writes in fluent Cantonese and Mandarin has jumped ahead of me in the queue, so my work is up there with Thatcher's love for miners.


Working title: A view of football from Dongguan, China

In 2015, the romantic (if debatable) home of football, inducted Sūn Jìhǎi (孙继海) into the English Football Hall of Fame. The prominence of Chinese eyes on overseas football has steadily been on the rise. Domestically new moves are in the waters. China is flexing its muscle with ambitious electrical currents rippling across the globe. China may well have invented the game in Cuju (蹴鞠)as early as the 3rd–2nd century BC, but now it is staking a claim on the modern game.

Did a player that had won the Football League First Division in 2002 merit the highest possible English recognition over a decade later? As always with football, there is not just a hint of financial unfairness or political push, there is a will of ambition that use every inch of mountain climbing skills to grasp the future. 38-year-old Sūn Jìhǎi (孙继海) will play for Běijīng Rénhé F.C. ( 北京人和足球俱乐部) in the second flight of Chinese football. The capital club have been nomadic, owned by 8 different parent companies since 1995. Their current name is their 7th official incarnation (and they’ve held 11 sponsored names too). This is an important but brief introduction to a common theme amongst the 16 top tier clubs of China.

In China there are three professional leagues, the Chinese Super League, China League One, and China League Two. The lower of the three leagues has regional stages. Below that lies amateur football. A country of 1.4 billion people and only 48 teams ranked as professional is clear indication that football has not been big here for a while. Guǎngzhōu Héngdà Táobǎo F.C. (广州恒大淘宝), the Southern China Tigers (华南虎) have dominated football domestically for five titles straight until 2015. Owned by superrich Evergrande Real Estate and e-commerce giants Alibaba, they have qualified for the FIFA Club World Cup, finishing 4th each time in 2013 and 2015. Two continental titles in the same years’ AFC Champions League have helped their push.

Along the road in recent years there have been match fixing scandals, gambling problems, but the leagues here are moving away from bad news. They have a refreshed attitude and an outlook of positivity. Money and sponsors are entering the game with weight. The league needs high-profile publicity. Attracting managers such as Marcello Lippi and Luiz Felipe Scolari (spotted in Dongguan every now and then at charity bashes) have helped them handle stars like Brazilian Elkeson (sold to Sven-Göran Eriksson’s Shànghǎi Shànggǎng/上海上港SIPG side), Paulinho and Robinho (released recently). €42 million signing Jackson Martinez of Colombia will feature for them this coming season. The side paid 2.5 million US dollars for South Korean Kim Yŏnggwŏn (김영권). A year ago €15 million paid for Brazilian Ricardo Goulart was a record transfer fee in Asia. In January 2016, this record was smashed three times in less than a fortnight! Many clubs including the Chinese Super League’s initial winners Shēnzhèn F.C. (深圳市足球俱乐部) have fell foul to financial problems. Clubs have often found that you can’t just sign Anelka, Drogba, or Kanouté and command instant achievement.

The fans here are presented with a problem. Kit home colours are tinkered with too often. Clubs change names and locations all too often. A move the league’s top dogs are looking to rectify. Aside from cross-city derby games, travel to watch your team away is expensive and involves hours, if not days of travel. China is vast. Domestically CCTV, GDTV-Sports, STV-Sports, LeTV and BTV all show live national, international, BBVA, Premier League and Bundesliga games. It isn’t unusual to flick through the channels and see one of Dongguan’s many 5-a-side leagues on primetime coverage. Whilst basketball dominates TV coverage, football is always around in some shape or form. Most Chinese Super League games are televised. So, at least you can follow away games…

Nike have a massive presence with team jerseys in China. They back the national team, having succeeded Adidas last year. The German company having sported the national team’s kits for 20 years! Ping An Insurance more than doubled the previous sponsorship deal from Wanda. League and club sponsorship deals have been growing steadily for a decade. They can smell high-profile growth.

The Tianhe Sports Centre Stadium (天河体育中心体育场) in Guangzhou smacks of China’s often concrete architecture. It is bland. A running-track around this arena completes the lack of excitement feel. Not surprisingly the football club loans the ground from the Guangzhou People's Government. Hardly a surprising format considering most top flight clubs have the same kind of deal. The 22,000 seater Dongguan Stadium (东莞体育场) has lay dormant mostly, housing a Police and Army facility. Following the purchase of Gansu Tianma (甘肃天马- Paul Gascoigne played & coached there before fleeing in the face of legal action), the parent group/owner Lanwa moved the team and name closer to home. Dongguan Lanwa FC (聯華紅牛) nicknamed the “Red Bull” made the move to Hong Kong’s well-organised league system but sadly dissolved in 2009, after around a decade of existence. Dongguan, like many Chinese cities, has a football void that needs filling.

Locally, and nationally there are many leagues at 5, 7 and 8-a-side level. 11-a-side football is uncommon here in Dongguan yet more and more pitches are appearing in odd places like factories or new housing estates like in Tangxia and Houjie. Soccerworld in Nancheng faces rival pitches in most areas of Dongguan, older ones in Binjiang, rougher ones like BallAve in (on a roof) Rongda Industrial Park and Best Pitch (on a roof in Dongcheng). The same can be seen in cities across China. More premier quality pitches can be found like Bosom in TouXu, XiHu (West Lake), Houjie’s Olympic Sports Park and Hengli’s Gusitu Field. All appear to provide tournaments at varying standards, for locals and foreigners alike.

Marketing and social media of football in China can be found via various platforms such as Weibo, WeChat (Wēixìn; 微信), QQ International, and many more tailored platforms for inside the cyber Great Wall. Tours of China by the likes of Arsenal, Brazil, or Maradona’s Argentina in 2010 aren’t uncommon. I recently joined Shenzhen Blues (MCFC Official Supporters Club) for an International tournament with players coming from all corners of the globe. That was the fourth such tournament I’ve joined a team with in the last year. Murray’s FC based in Dongcheng allows ample opportunities to meet new players and teams locally and in neighbouring cities.

Clubs such as Manchester City, Chelsea and Bayern Munich have deals with domestic clubs here. There are due diligence checks, risk assessments and then there has been bilateral agreements or funding. Manchester City have a major summer your and an announcement in China pencilled into their calendar. It seems to help if the clubs home colours are red, in a nation coloured by red and the notion of luck tied to this colour. In this year of the Monkey, the lucky colours are gold and blue (immortality?). Is that an omen for something big on the horizon? Maybe red will make way for blue.

In 2009, Ferran Soriano made a speech, “Well then, if you imagine this child in China, none of the considerations we have made so far are valid. Because this Chinese child has no history of football. Most probably he is the first member of his family to be interested in the game. His father and grandfather have never bothered with it and he does not know anything about it either... but the choice of this little Chinese kid is very important for the football industry. Clubs that aspire to become global face the challenge of recruiting this Chinese boy or girl as a fan, by explaining the differences between different football clubs and giving reasons for the child to choose theirs.” Football will grow, for sure, in China with forward thinkers. Some will criticise outsiders as just wanted to cash in on football here. There is a mutual benefit to this, expertise and players can pass both ways. A pool of marketing and strategy can form. Money flow between China and other countries can and will be strictly monitored. It has win-win potential.

On the global stage China’s women’s team have had success. The Kēngqiāng Méiguī (铿锵玫瑰/ “Steel Roses”) won silver, losing to hosts U.S.A. in Atlanta 1996. In the group stage they had finished ahead of the hosts, matching them in the group game. They’ve ranked as high as 4th with FIFA, but slipped as low as 19th in recent years. Six FIFA Women’s World Cup entries has seen just one runners-up trophy in U.S.A’s 1999 finals, again to the U.S. team. Players such as record scorer and all-time great of the women’s game (globally) Sūn Wén (孙雯) and veteran appearance holder Pǔ Wěi (浦玮) have left the game. There is a feeling that the next generation of Chinese women footballers may have the ability to break through. China’s resurgence at the recent Canada finals in 2015 led to a narrow defeat elimination by, you guessed it, the U.S.A. (the eventual winners). 20-year-old Tāng Jiālì (唐佳丽), of Shanghai Ladies, was shortlisted for a young players’ award. Neighbouring city to Dongguan, Guangzhou hosted the inaugural Women’s World Championship in 1991, China held the rebranded FIFA Women’s World Cup in 2007 and has aspirations to host the 9th World Cup in 2023. With entries to the Algarve Cup (’99 and ’02 Champions), Asia Games (’90, ’94, ’98 winners), and other tournaments entered China has always placed a priority on the World Cup. Having won 8 out of 13 (coming twice, twice) of the AFC Women's Asian Cup that they’ve entered, Women’s football in China needs the top tournaments.

In the women’s game, all players appear to be domestic. The only exception being Wáng Fēi (王飞) who plies her trade as goalkeeper at Olympique Lyonnais. High profile games at Manchester’s City Football Academy against England last year, a win over England at the 2015 Yongchuan International Tournament and continued progress has pushed China women’s team to travel to Osaka for Olympic qualification in high hopes. A technical team, complete with Frenchman Bruno Bini is tasked with ensuring they arrive at Rio in 2016. Maybe Dongguan would make a good home for a women’s team? It’d help to shed any negative image of the city.

In contrast to the Women’s game, China’s male counterparts appeared at the 2002 World Cup. They didn’t score a single goal and flew back soon after arriving. All positive expectation had been left in tatters. It isn’t a surprise that Dong Fangzhuo, Li Tie, Lǐ Wěifēng (李玮峰is the most capped Chinese player ever) and Zheng Zhi complete the five players to have plated in the English Premier League. Good luck finding Chinese player sin any top flight European league for that matter (Zhang Chengdong is at Rayo Vallecano). Are there any south American-based Chinese players? The men’s game has featured at the 1936, 1948 and 1988 Olympics. 11 entries in the Asian Cup have resulted in two runners-up titles. Absence of glory is a clear problem. With respect to qualifying for Russia 2018, well China need to beat Qatar and Maldives and move above Hong Kong to even reach the World Cup qualification – AFC Third Round. There is even a possibility of a fourth round play-off.

The F.A. of the P.R.C. (Zhōngguó Zúqiú Xiéhuì/中国足球协会), or Chinese FA. despite being housed at the Chinese State General Administration of Sports is ran as a non-governmental and a non-profit organization in line with FIFA’s rules. It has ambition, as does the state. China wants a World Cup hosting to boost the profile of Team Dragon (龙之队/Lóngzhī Duì). With the FIFA scandals halting the bidding process for now, China can’t go public on its first ever bid for the men’s top competition. When it does, it could easily include many cities in and around South China.

There are 44 regional associations linked into the national C.F.A. Dongguan’s teams are affiliated to the Guangdong Football Association. The Chinese Super League now has reserve, under-19s, under-17s and under-15s categories.

Here in Dongguan, I believe the dreams can be started at grassroots. Football academies (e.g. GZYLA Football Academy) and coaching schools are springing up nationally. Regionally, Dongguan has had them for many years. The influence of the Pearl River delta foreigners is likely the cause and that of neighbouring Hong Kong’s love of the beautiful game. Can the kids in this area show hunger, gritted teeth and desire on a par with the ghetto kids of Rio’s slums or the rough Liverpool council estates? If the city of Dongguan put the game out to the underprivileged and gave the opportunity to play, the pool of players increases. Hunger increases. Competition increases. Talent increases. All it takes is investment in coaches and a work over of current footballing facilities. Many cities are already mass-recruiting coaches from places as established as New Jersey (U.S.A.), Manchester, Belgium and beyond.

In this Year of the Monkey, clubs in China are recognising that money is not the only way to get players. Many clubs have opened up to new directions and avenues for improvement. Beijing Guoan have a Strategic Development Committee in place. 13 foreign managers, numerous coaches from overseas and ambitious signings may have filled the news. With the right balance and regulation, Chinese football can go forward. It begins now. This season is set to be a big one and I for one will travel from Dongguan to see as many games as possible.


See also:
Beijing Renhe F.C. http://www.renhefc.hupu.com/
Guangzhou Evergrande Taobao FC http://www.gzevergrandefc.com/
Shanghai SIPG http://www.sipg-fc.com/
Chinese Super League: http://csl.sina.com.cn/
Chinese F.A. http://www.fa.org.cn/ #
Hong Kong F.A. http://www.hkfa.com/en/
 


City to visit South Korea in late July [Naver]

Manchester City will visit South Korea in late July as part of their post-season tour of the Far East, according to local source Naver.

City have already confirmed plans to visit China this summer, where it’s thought Pep Guardiola will be unveiled to the world as the new manager, but news of a visit to South Korea is new and further evidence of the Blues trying to break into the Asian market.

According to the report, the hope is that City will play a friendly against K-League side Suwon Samsung Bluewings as part of the Nexen Cup. This would make sense after City formed a partnership with Nexen last August.

It’s also speculated that this could lead to the City Football Group becoming more involved in the K-League, though not necessarily by adding another club to the growing portfolio.

City have yet to confirm this visit, but local reports seem confident of it happening.
 

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