Where did i say they don't take in tactics etc abroad? What i'm saying is atmospheres are shit all around England, every club has fans complaining about it, we slag every other team of saying it's like a library. Do you think the rest of Europe isn't similar? Barca etc don't sell out every week, their atmosphere is crap most of the time. If people are expecting Turkish style atmospheres in England with flares or Germany with drums their in for disappointment i'm afraid. Yes tickets could be cheaper, beer could be cheaper and be allowed at your seat, you really think people will be up singing constantly if these changes happened? Also why do you think working class aren't going? it's the majority of the crowd every week ffs.