Discussion: Txiki Begiristain (2014/15)

[Damocles]

Oh you know what I meant, don't start being precious

 

[Mikejl]

Just spent the weekend at Robin Hood caravan park with Txixi & his family in the berth next door, said deals all sorted by next weekend. He's travelling back to Manchester today, check M56 eastbound, took a snap of his caravan, think he drives a Green 1985 Vauxhall Chevette

 

[BlueAnorak]

Our owner also isn't making staffing decisions. Why does nobody on here seem to under stand how a normal business is structured?

But he does employ folks at ADUG to monitor the performance of owned company senior execs (as per all UAE sovereign wealth funds). Their performance goals are set and they are measured. If the direction of travel does not meet expectations at review time and there are not sufficient mitigating circumstances then the non-performing exec will be replaced.

We haven't a clue as to what goals have been set - but we can be sure that their performance targets have been met - at least in part.

 

[Damocles]

But he does employ folks at ADUG to monitor the performance of owned company senior execs (as per all UAE sovereign wealth funds). Their performance goals are set and they are measured. If the direction of travel does not meet expectations at review time and there are not sufficient mitigating circumstances then the non-performing exec will be replaced.

We haven't a clue as to what goals have been set - but we can be sure that their performance targets have been met - at least in part.

Yes, the owner of a company can walk in and sack the cleaner if they really want to. My point is that Txiki Begiristain doesn't answer to Sheikh Mansour any more than the cleaner does. They have their own bosses who have their own bosses who himself has his own boss which is Sheikh Mansour.

More to the point, I'd garner a wager that Man City probably takes up about 10 minutes a week in the mind of Sheikh Mansour outside of watching the games. The executive performance of somebody as low down the chain as Txiki Begiristain isn't something that he'd even really sit around and think about.

People do seem to forget how small City is compared to the other things that Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour do. They have appointed Ferran Soriano to run the club, which he does, have Simon Pearce in the loop to keep things on message from the Abu Dhabi end and Khaldoon sits as Chairman of the board. So many posters on Bluemoon seem to think that Sheikh Mansour sits there thinking about City as much as they do and would possibly control whether somebody like Txiki got sacked.

They won't accept that Soriano is essentially the boss for the same frankly embarrassing "Barca Boys" rhetoric that many on here spew. They live in hope of Sheikh Mansour sweeping in and replacing them like some superhero. It isn't going to happen.

 

[80s Shorts]

You must have a hell of a thick skin

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Yes, the owner of a company can walk in and sack the cleaner if they really want to. My point is that Txiki Begiristain doesn't answer to Sheikh Mansour any more than the cleaner does. They have their own bosses who have their own bosses who himself has his own boss which is Sheikh Mansour.

More to the point, I'd garner a wager that Man City probably takes up about 10 minutes a week in the mind of Sheikh Mansour outside of watching the games. The executive performance of somebody as low down the chain as Txiki Begiristain isn't something that he'd even really sit around and think about.

People do seem to forget how small City is compared to the other things that Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour do. They have appointed Ferran Soriano to run the club, which he does, have Simon Pearce in the loop to keep things on message from the Abu Dhabi end and Khaldoon sits as Chairman of the board. So many posters on Bluemoon seem to think that Sheikh Mansour sits there thinking about City as much as they do and would possibly control whether somebody like Txiki got sacked.

They won't accept that Soriano is essentially the boss for the same frankly embarrassing "Barca Boys" rhetoric that many on here spew. They live in hope of Sheikh Mansour sweeping in and replacing them like some superhero. It isn't going to happen.

I'm glad someone knows what they're on about.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Yes, the owner of a company can walk in and sack the cleaner if they really want to. My point is that Txiki Begiristain doesn't answer to Sheikh Mansour any more than the cleaner does. They have their own bosses who have their own bosses who himself has his own boss which is Sheikh Mansour.

More to the point, I'd garner a wager that Man City probably takes up about 10 minutes a week in the mind of Sheikh Mansour outside of watching the games. The executive performance of somebody as low down the chain as Txiki Begiristain isn't something that he'd even really sit around and think about.

People do seem to forget how small City is compared to the other things that Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour do. They have appointed Ferran Soriano to run the club, which he does, have Simon Pearce in the loop to keep things on message from the Abu Dhabi end and Khaldoon sits as Chairman of the board. So many posters on Bluemoon seem to think that Sheikh Mansour sits there thinking about City as much as they do and would possibly control whether somebody like Txiki got sacked.

They won't accept that Soriano is essentially the boss for the same frankly embarrassing "Barca Boys" rhetoric that many on here spew. They live in hope of Sheikh Mansour sweeping in and replacing them like some superhero. It isn't going to happen.

In a normal business you would be right but football is not a normal business. All the senior execs including Txiki and Pellers will have there own targets assessed at the end of each season.

 

[aguero93:20]

In a normal business you would be right but football is not a normal business. All the senior execs including Txiki and Pellers will have there own targets assessed at the end of each season.

How is that any different from a normal company?

 

[Didsbury Dave]

In a normal business you would be right but football is not a normal business. All the senior execs including Txiki and Pellers will have there own targets assessed at the end of each season.

That's the same as business, actually. But the point Damocles makes is exactly right: it isn't The Sheikh doing the assessing. As in business, you go up the line. pellegrini reports to Txiki who reports to Soriano who reports to Khaldoon. That's it., pretty much. Decisions are taken 'up the line': Khaldoon doesn't decide to sack Pellegrini, because that's poor management of Soriano and Txiki,,but he's part of the decision making process.

Keeping it simple, as part of the ongoing dialogue between Khaldoon and Soriano, Txiki will be discussed and evaluated and if Soriano believes he's not good enough for City's future then he seeks Khaldoon's informal approval to get rid of him. Khaldoon will of course keep the Sheikh informed of this but Mansour's not an idiot either: he knows that a good business empowers its management/board so he will presumably trust Khaldoon's judgement.

But a point I keep making is this. MCFC is now run as a professional business, as it needs to be. These men know what they are doing. In football, as in business, you don't sack someone because of what they've done. You sack them because of what you judge they will do in future. So Txiki would not be sacked because his signings were poor: the sack isn't a punishment. He would be sacked because Soriano judges that he isn't good enough for the club's future. Past performance is part of that decision, but not all of it: the whole picture has to be taken into consideration.

 

[Damocles]

That's the same as business, actually. But the point Damocles makes is exactly right: it isn't The Sheikh doing the assessing. As in business, you go up the line. pellegrini reports to Txiki who reports to Soriano who reports to Khaldoon. That's it., pretty much. Decisions are taken 'up the line': Khaldoon doesn't decide to sack Pellegrini, because that's poor management of Soriano and Txiki,,but he's part of the decision making process.

Keeping it simple, as part of the ongoing dialogue between Khaldoon and Soriano, Txiki will be discussed and evaluated and if Soriano believes he's not good enough for City's future then he seeks Khaldoon's informal approval to get rid of him. Khaldoon will of course keep the Sheikh informed of this but Mansour's not an idiot either: he knows that a good business empowers its management/board so he will presumably trust Khaldoon's judgement.

But a point I keep making is this. MCFC is now run as a professional business, as it needs to be. These men know what they are doing. In football, as in business, you don't sack someone because of what they've done. You sack them because of what you judge they will do in future. So Txiki would not be sacked because his signings were poor: the sack isn't a punishment. He would be sacked because Soriano judges that he isn't good enough for the club's future. Past performance is part of that decision, but not all of it: the whole picture has to be taken into consideration.

Absolutely, perfectly, hit the nail right on the head.

Past performance is certainly part of the decision but like every investor is repeatedly told, past performance is not an indicator of future returns and other factors have to be taken into context before parting with your money. Having a solid track record is important but only indicative of something over many many points of data and even then there's no guarantees of the future.

As far as his City career is concerned, I have repeatedly said that we don't have the data yet to form a judgement and won't do for a good few years because his job is in squad building, squad management and expanding the footballing philosophy