Discussion: Txiki Begiristain (2015/16)

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Two down, one to go? No sooner had Txiki Begiristain been confirmed as Manchester City's director of football than the inevitable question began to be asked and once they started they did not stop. Begiristain's statement said he was looking forward to working with Roberto Mancini, which it had to say of course, but it seemed everybody wanted to know the same thing: does this mean Pep Guardiola is coming too?

Aitor 'Txiki' Begiristain was the sporting director who turned to Pep Guardiola when Barcelona sacked Frank Rijkaard at the end of the 2008 season. He travelled to see José Mourinho and decided the Portuguese was too much of a fire-starter to entrust with the job. The decision seems logical now: Guardiola became the most successful coach in Barcelona's history, winning a treble in his first season. At the time the decision was a brave and risky one.

Now everyone wants Guardiola; back then, few did. Begiristain was one of them. Guardiola won the European Cup. Rijkaard, the first coach to work under Begiristain, had won one too. Joan Laporta, the Barcelona president, once said: "Bringing in Txiki was the best decision I ever made." Under him, Barcelona won two European Cups and five league titles in seven years. When he came in with Laporta in 2003, Barcelona had gone four years without a trophy and were lurching from crisis to crisis.

Yet Barcelona had begun a slide under Rijkaard and even before the 2007-08 season was finished Begiristain had determined a change was needed, even as some on the board resisted. The decision may even have come late, but it did finally come. Begiristain said Rijkaard had lost control of the dressing room. There was, though, no guarantee that Guardiola would wrest it back again, still less that he would prove successful. He had only been a coach for one season: with Barcelona B.

But Begiristain had faith in Guardiola. He formed part of the Johan Cruyff-led dream team alongside Guardiola that won the 1992 European Cup and they shared an approach. Cruyff was Laporta's mentor; Begiristain was Cruyff's suggestion.

Begiristain is a Basque who had been signed from Real Sociedad and claims to have learnt Catalan sitting in Barcelona's traffic jams, repeating everything he heard on the radio. Funny, chatty, likeable and smart, Cruyff described him as a "clever" player. So clever, Cruyff's No2 Charly Rexach claimed, that in the pouring rain and mud of Atoxa, he'd leave the pitch with hardly a stain on him.

As sporting director he insisted on the need for style and substance. Full-backs had to be attacking and at least one of the central defenders must be capable of bringing the ball out from the back – of being a player as well as a protector. Although there were question marks about some of his signings - Maxi López and Alexandr Hleb among them – the decision to go for Guardiola has huge symbolic significance. It would have been easier to chose Mourinho. Indeed, as Graham Hunter explains in his book Barça, Guardiola himself told him just that.

Begiristain had travelled to Lisbon with two directors, Marc Ingla and Ferran Soriano, to see Mourinho. The presentation was impressive but Begiristain, Soriano and Ingla were not keen; there was something about his personality that did not fit. They would win, sure, but it was not enough simply to win. Guardiola was not just the right manager, he was the right man. When they returned, the message was unanimous: it has got to be Guardiola. Soriano and Begiristain went to get him.

Cant find a decent profile on him

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2013 January

In:
n/a

Out:
Balotelli £19m

Net Spend:

-£19m

2013/2014:
In:
Fernandinho - £30m
Jovetic - £22m
Negredo - £20m
Navas - £14.9m
Demichelis - £4.2m
Faour - Undisclosed

Out:
Carlos Tevez - £12m
Suarez Undisclosed
Helan Undisclosed
Razak Undisclosed

Released:
Bridge
Maicon
Santa Cruz
K. Toure
McGivern
Bunn
Elabdellaoui

Net Spend:

£79m

Note: Our accounts listed a post-balance sheet transaction value for these transfers as £84.1m which would include all agent/signing costs so these fees are probably exaggerated or structured deals.

2014/2015

City were under Financial Fair Play Restrictions for this window

In:
Mangala - £32m
Bony - £25m (rising to £28m)
Fernando - £12m
Caballero - £4.4m (rising to £6m)
Zuculini - £3m
Sagna - Free
Lampard - Free

Out:
Garcia - £13m
Rodwell - £10.25m (rising to £13.25m)
Nastasic - Undisclosed - rumoured to be £7m
Huws - Undisclosed - rumoured to be £2.5m
Barry - £2m

Released:
Lescott
Pantilimon
Wabara
Agyiri
Kennedy
Swan

Net Spend:

£49m

Man City's limit during this year was £49m

2015/2016:

In:

Sterling - £49m - New Club Record
Delph - £8m
Roberts - Undisclosed - rumoured to be £6m
Otamendi - £32m
De Bruyne - £55m - New Club Record


Out:
Boyata - £1.5m
Sinclair - Undisclosed - rumoured to be £2.5m
Negredo - £21m - New Club Record
Rekik - £3.5m
Dzeko - £14m
Jovetic - £13m

Released:
Milner
Richards
Guidetti
Lampard

Net Spend:

£97m

Total Net Spend To Date: £206m

Fees are sourced. Have not included youth player purchases/sales as fees are impossible to track
 
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They've found the going tough mate.

2 Champions Leagues compared to 1 during Txiki's time.
3 Titles in 5 years without Txiki compared to 4 in 7 years whilst he was there
2 Copa Del Rey's compared to 1 during Txiki's reign

Some might say they've actually improved...

They only won 1 Champions league between 2003 and 2010? Are you sure about that? He built the team that won the 2011 one as well, he'd actually signed Villa before he left.
 
Whilst i agree that some of the signings have been gash ie fernando and jovetic ..some like fernandinho, demi, Mangala, bony have been half decent. Yes we overpaid on the fee's for some of the signings whilst he's been here imo but it's what happens when you're in our position that city are in I suppose. Mangala still has more to bring next season and has the potential of being a solid PL defender. Fernandinho plays a vital part in the centre of our midfield and we always look alot stronger with him, demi has improved vastly and well bony, we're yet too see the best of him Lets just so what he can do in most important summer in years. Suppose we have to back him and be confident that he WILL get in the right players and get shut if the right ones.

As trends go though, anything anti-txiki on here seems to be deleted and/or berated from what i've seen...

Ferndhinio was too old and we over paid, he's hardly here for the long haul. Mangala basically replaced Nastasic who was arguably one of better players in his last proper season (although some of his departure is MP's fault), Demi - see Fernandhinio albeit cheap as chips. Bony hasnt done anything and thus far has done very little to warrent his price, looked immobile and clumsy.
My faith in Txiki is very very thin and agree that for the most part were still living off Manchini's players which were biggers players signed when we were a smaller, less attractive club.

Id also add that Barca under him was built upon their youth and no player signings.

This transfer window is vitally important and right now id have more faith in Gary Cooke.
 
Ferndhinio was too old and we over paid, he's hardly here for the long haul. Mangala basically replaced Nastasic who was arguably one of better players in his last proper season (although some of his departure is MP's fault), Demi - see Fernandhinio albeit cheap as chips. Bony hasnt done anything and thus far has done very little to warrent his price, looked immobile and clumsy.
My faith in Txiki is very very thin and agree that for the most part were still living off Manchini's players which were biggers players signed when we were a smaller, less attractive club.

Id also add that Barca under him was built upon their youth and no player signings.

This transfer window is vitally important and right now id have more faith in Gary Cooke.
Or put another way you don't understand what Txiki's or Cooks roles are / were.
 
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Still undecided about Txiki.

When you look at the transactions that Damo has listed in detail his record doesn't look too bad.
He's got decent money for the likes of Rodwell and Garcia plus he's brought wages under control with the move to a more bonus type structure.

On the minus side we've failed to make a major Aguero type signing during his period in charge and I agree with Jim that Garry Cook seemed
much more able to attract players when we were a less attractive club, albeit one paying big wages.

For me the next two months will decide things once and for all. If he can attract a few A listers like Pogba and Sterling then I'll be happy
enough with him. If he can't then I don't really see what all the hype about the guy is about. His record with Barcelona was mixed and he
ended up getting fired by the then new regime more for his own failures than his links with the previous regime.
 
Still undecided about Txiki.

When you look at the transactions that Damo has listed in detail his record doesn't look too bad.
He's got decent money for the likes of Rodwell and Garcia plus he's brought wages under control with the move to a more bonus type structure.

On the minus side we've failed to make a major Aguero type signing during his period in charge and I agree with Jim that Garry Cook seemed
much more able to attract players when we were a less attractive club, albeit one paying big wages.

For me the next two months will decide things once and for all. If he can attract a few A listers like Pogba and Sterling then I'll be happy
enough with him. If he can't then I don't really see what all the hype about the guy is about. His record with Barcelona was mixed and he
ended up getting fired by the then new regime more for his own failures than his links with the previous regime
.

Brian Marwood. Cook had Soriano's job.

Txiki resigned because he didn't like the ethics of the new regime, something that imo has been borne out by the Neymar fiasco. All the back stabbing came afterwards and has been cited as Guardiola's reason for resigning.
 
Brian Marwood. Cook had Soriano's job.

Txiki resigned because he didn't like the ethics of the new regime, something that imo has been borne out by the Neymar fiasco. All the back stabbing came afterwards and has been cited as Guardiola's reason for resigning.

I have still yet to find anybody who actually knows anything about Txiki who doesn't think he's great. Everybody who criticises him seems to make constant mistakes about what his job is or what he has done in the past
 
I have still yet to find anybody who actually knows anything about Txiki who doesn't think he's great. Everybody who criticises him seems to make constant mistakes about what his job is or what he has done in the past
so to know him is to love him and his effectiveness isn't related to a successful transfer window ?
 
Whoever has the main say on our signings (be it Txiki, or whoever) has a big summer ahead of them. The going so far hasn't been great.
 
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