General Election June 8th

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Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  1. Conservatives

    135 vote(s)
    34.1%
  2. Labour

    190 vote(s)
    48.0%
  3. Liberal Democrats

    27 vote(s)
    6.8%
  4. SNP

    6 vote(s)
    1.5%
  5. UKIP

    13 vote(s)
    3.3%
  6. Other

    25 vote(s)
    6.3%
  1. vonkeynotvenky

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    Ukip voters will boost Tory votes IMHO, the pundits probably have this one right it's going to be a big Tory win. I would like to see a new party emerge that places working class interests front and centre.
     
  2. bluethrunthru

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    Good idea. They could be led by a socialist and called Labour - oh hang on the press wouldn't like that and the lemmings would instantly hate that person
     
  3. vonkeynotvenky

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    The reason why Labour are suffering is because they have forgotten about working class voters who moved to ukip in their millions. Denying that will only make the demise of Labour come more quickly. There is a reason why they aren't exactly flying you know.
     
  4. sir baconface

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    Quite possibly. If this were a normal length campaign, I could see a fair amount of the expected Tory majority evaporating. However, May knew what she was doing making it an abbreviated affair, just as she made the right call (from her viewpoint) staying out of the debates. Corbyn may be a dick in some ways but he's a shed load more personable and must surely appeal to a lot of the young vote who don't remember Labour governments.
     
  5. Ghandi's Flip Flops

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    Why's it a race to the bottom?
    It may come as a shock to you but not every person who is a temporary worker, contractor or self-employed is on a minimum wage equivalent.
    Things like holiday/maternity/paternity/sick pay are factored into the hourly rates on offer.
    And a lot of issues you say that it stores up was caused by Labour themselves; things like when Gordon Brown decided to rob blind the private pension schemes that were considered some of the best in the world at the time.

    The main problem for me is that Labour are hell bent on trying to remove the 'choice' of how people supply their labour to firms & businesses, and also how they sort out their finances. With their latest manifesto Labour are, as usual, purposefully trying to force as many people as possible onto PAYE & NI type employment onto temporary worker/contractor/self-employed sector, by introducing punitive taxes, draconian red tape which actually restrict the amount of work available to them.

    The Labour party & unions absolutely despise these type of workers, so it's even more galling is they are trying to dress it up as increasing 'workers rights' and that they are doing us a favour, when in fact they've led a crusade against them for probably the last 2 decades.
     
  6. bluethrunthru

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    You are mistaking "freedom" for choice. The amount of choice the individual has will be dictated by those who want to restrict and influence it for their own means rather than those who wish to do so for the greater good. There is a reason workers in the past fought for the rights I listed - and they come from the "golden" age where they enjoyed free University education - affordable housing - full and free NHS care ( eg dentistry ) - good pension provision - benevolent employers who had things like health departments and sports clubs - look around you those people are well off and doing well too. Its no coincidence they enjoy those rights privileges and results and since then there has been a spiral down in all those provisions. For the most of that period if you look it up there has been a Tory majority or Tory coalition government,.
     
  7. Ghandi's Flip Flops

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    Okay. So if i rephrase my previous comment
    'The main problem for me is that Labour are hell bent on trying to remove the 'freedom' of how people supply their labour to firms & businesses, and also how they sort out their finances.'
    then exactly how does it change the point i was making. Seems to me it's pretty much the same thing.

    So you are agreeing with me that Labour are trying to dictate and influence how people supply their labour & services to suit their own means (and that of the unions), and not for the greater good. Glad we can agree on something then.

    Not sure what point you are trying to make with this other than that you seem to want Labour to return us to the 'Golden Age' of the 70's.
    I remember those times, mass strikes, power cuts, 3 day weeks, crap engineering & manufacturing, and rubbish laying around the streets uncollected.

    Also 'benevolent employers who had things like health departments and sports clubs'; the firms that i know that once had these sort of things were places like GEC/Metrovicks, British Aerospace (Chadderton), Mather & Platt's and other similiar Engineering companies. These all disappeared under Labour's watch and if you look at it as a whole, Labour destroyed more engineering in Manchester than Maggie & the Luftwaffe did put together.

    But hey, If that is what you want, then i can see why you vote Labour.
     
  8. bluethrunthru

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    Your selective memory recalls a few bad instances as the whole of a decade. There wasn't rubbish lying around the streets for 10 years the 3 day week was about 3 months in 1974 and I recall the blackouts were similar periods and the number of days lost to strikes doubled in 2012 compared with previous years - oh and the 70's were equally split 5 years each Tory and Labour govts but keep peddling the propaganda eh? How old were you in the 70's? I ask because I was 10 to 20 so lived through them and experienced them 1st hand not via Wikipedia and what the telegraph says
     
  9. Ghandi's Flip Flops

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    Yep. i also lived through the seventies and experienced them first hand. It had it's good & it's bad points.
    But funny that you try to pull me up on my selective memory, but then only select to address a few of the points i've made.

    So you not gonna dispute the damage that Labour did to engineering in Manchester?

    Also so whilst throwing the odd bone to a few of the low paid, i take it you have no problem then of Labour targeting the rest of the people in the temp worker/contractor/agency/self-employed sector, just to appease their ideology and their mates in the unions?
     
  10. KenTheLandlord

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    Absolute nail on head and yet so hard for some to grasp.
     

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