General Election June 8th

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Ric, 18 Apr 2017.

?

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  1. Conservatives

    189 vote(s)
    28.8%
  2. Labour

    366 vote(s)
    55.8%
  3. Liberal Democrats

    37 vote(s)
    5.6%
  4. SNP

    8 vote(s)
    1.2%
  5. UKIP

    23 vote(s)
    3.5%
  6. Other

    33 vote(s)
    5.0%
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. KenTheLandlord

    KenTheLandlord

    Joined:
    9 Mar 2009
    Lets look at what you wrote

    "Not sure what point you are trying to make with this other than that you seem to want Labour to return us to the 'Golden Age' of the 70's.
    I remember those times, mass strikes, power cuts, 3 day weeks, crap engineering & manufacturing, and rubbish laying around the streets uncollected.

    Also 'benevolent employers who had things like health departments and sports clubs'; the firms that i know that once had these sort of things were places like GEC/Metrovicks, British Aerospace (Chadderton), Mather & Platt's and other similiar Engineering companies. These all disappeared under Labour's watch and if you look at it as a whole, Labour destroyed more engineering in Manchester than Maggie & the Luftwaffe did put together."

    mass strikes - early 70s - tory, winter of discontent - Labour.
    power cuts - On December 13 Mr Heath addressed the nation. "As prime minister I want to speak to you plainly about the grave emergency now facing our country," he said. "We are asking you to cut down to the absolute minimum the use of electricity in your homes." He announced the imposition of a "three-day week" from January 1 for all industries and a 10.30pm shutdown for television except at Christmas. "In terms of comfort we shall have a harder Christmas than we have known since the war," Heath gloomily declared.
    It was the tories
    3 days weeks - as above, it was the tories.
    crap engineering & manufacturing - both
    rubbish laying around the streets - Labour

    GEC/Metrovicks - In 1960 the rivalry that had continued between Metrovick and BTH was eventually ended when the AEI management decided to rid themselves of both brands and conduct all their busines under the brand AEI. Seven years later AEI was purchased by GEC which changed its name to Marconi plc in 1999. - nothing to do with labour.

    British Aerospace (Chadderton) - The site was closed in 2012, after BAE announced that it was no longer viable to operate from the site. At the time, BAE had 200 employees at the site. 160 employees, and ongoing work at the site, were transferred to Samlesbury Aerodrome - under the tories.

    Mather & Platt's - it continues as a food processing and packaging business, trading as M & P Engineering in Trafford Park, Manchester - nothing to do with Labour.

    Labour destroyed more engineering in Manchester than Maggie & the Luftwaffe did put together. - quite clearly bollocks.

    I would be quite happy for them to have protection from the ideology of austerity in which the tories consistently lie that it is good for the people of Britain just to appease their mates who own these firms and throw millions at the tories to prop them up and to be at their beck and call for their benefit.
     
  2. cibaman

    cibaman

    Joined:
    13 Nov 2008
    Perhaps not trying to win by just 60 -70 seats, but I dont think she would be unhappy if that's how it turns out.
     
  3. Damocles

    Damocles

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2009
    You can't because you don't understand the issue properly.

    Please explain, in as technical terms as you wish, how this is possible to achieve
     
  4. Vic

    Vic

    Joined:
    11 Jan 2009
    That's Labour's problem. "For the many not the few" (with its echo of post Peterloo revolutionary fervour) doesn't work if too many consider themselves part of the few (and have no problem with vast disparity of wealth). Plus the Tories have done an awful lot of work to make sure the poor are kept on the move and don't vote, the bedroom tax, benefit cap, no housing benefit for young people.



    So someone goes for a well paid, highly qualified job, then finds they are supposed to get it by becoming self employed by setting up their own company and "contracting" so the "employer" can avoid National Insurance. It beggars belief that people would prefer that sort of "choice" to a proper job under a benevolent employer (or at least one where the unions could negotiate some of that benevolence). You really have no idea of how much you now take for granted - all the
    "Things like holiday/maternity/paternity/sick pay" - came about because of the unions. Trade Unions - the people that gave you the weekend.

    As for rubbish lying uncollected in the 70s, just wow. A few places with mounds of rubbish for a few weeks. Unlike now, where thanks to the Tories' ideological austerity cuts to councils, uncollected rubbish is everywhere (maybe not in Surrey thanks to May's secret corrupt deal with the Tory council).
     
    Last edited: 20 May 2017
  5. Chippy_boy

    Chippy_boy

    Joined:
    11 Aug 2008
    Occupation:
    Indolence
    Location:
    Bristol
    You have no idea what I do and do not understand.

    The point is not to what degree this is technically possible (we might not be able to eliminate it, but we could make it "more difficult" as the quote suggests). It is that the Tory's aspirations are perfectly reasonable in this respect, whereas you chose to misquote them in order to try to suggest they were going to do something completely unreasonable. Given the rest of your posts on this thread, that's not surprising I guess.
     
    Last edited: 20 May 2017
  6. stonerblue

    stonerblue

    Joined:
    23 May 2004
    Occupation:
    rambler
    Location:
    Still alive here....
    Cheers BF.
    My grandad worked for the government one way or another all his life before parkinsons did him in. He even had a place in a bunker assigned for him if a bomb was dropped. My Gran spent the last 30 years of her life raising money for charity, baking cakes and selling them at the local baths. In the end they were both shit on by the country they'd supported all their lives.
     
  7. stonerblue

    stonerblue

    Joined:
    23 May 2004
    Occupation:
    rambler
    Location:
    Still alive here....
    The logical conclusion is that we'll all have to have private insurance to pay for care. Yet another winner for the handfull of people that run the insurance industry in this country.
     
  8. Xiphos

    Xiphos

    Joined:
    17 Feb 2017
    Gender:
    Male
    Who would have thought it, MI5 opened a file on Jeremy Corbyn in the 90s due to his links to one of the IRA Balcombe Street gang who waged a murderous bombing campaign across south east England, they also opened a file on his links to the bomb maker who constructed the Regents Park and Hyde Park devices
    Clearly a man to run the country, forward with Jeremy, For The Many, Not The Few
     
  9. kevin horlocks wand

    kevin horlocks wand

    Joined:
    12 Mar 2016
    But he is a pacifist. Isn't he? Or someone told me.
     
  10. Xiphos

    Xiphos

    Joined:
    17 Feb 2017
    Gender:
    Male
    Aye just like his weird ghost like shadow chancellor John McDonnell who wanted "bombs and bullets" for the IRA, they also liked sharing platforms with the top "Bhoys" from the IRA and INLA
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page