Government rejects Alan Turing appeal

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  1. So you reckon gay people should just stop being gay?
    Are you in any way related to Sepp Blatter?
    Sexuality is not a matter of choice,but in your opinion Turing should have denied his sexuality to conform with a ludicrous law that should never have been enacted.
    Sometimes bad laws have to be resisted.
    The law Turing 'broke' was one which denied him equality with the rest of society.
    I take it you have heard of the suffragettes?
    Or apartheid?
     
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    Things like this really make my blood boil!
     
  3. Skashion

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    No, he reckons the power of law is so strong that if it instructs you to be chaste then you must be chaste. For some reason this guy thinks a comparison to the Nazis is over the top. No, it is bang on, they believed the strength of Germany allowed them to trample on individual rights. Whereas this guy just quoted society's needs lets them trample on an individual rights. I see no difference.
     
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    Understand the point you make, I think the difference between this case (and others in the same boat) is they didn't do ''anything'' against another person - they didn't steal, they didn't break health and safety guidelines or incite race hate etc.
    Look at Nelson Mandela, will he be remembered for being a terrorist or one of the greatest leaders of civil rights? Because he was in the eyes of the law a terrorist at the time the law of South Africa dictated it. But he isn't a terrorist today.
    Turing will always 'officially' be classed as a criminal for merely being gay.
     

  5. Frankly,neither do I.
    His 'argument' has more holes than his countrymans legendary cheese.
    The logic that dictates we follow the statutes set,regardless of morality,fairness and equality,is a very dangerous rationale indeed.
     
  6. Gelsons Dad

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    Take a deep breath and think about what you are saying. You have just excused everyone convicted of a crime which doesn't suit their moral code. The whole point is not one of homosexuality it is of law and order. You believe that everyone should be free to act in a manner that they consider acceptable. Do I need to list people who of sound mind, acted in a manner that they thought was acceptable despite it being against the law? There are many more monsters than martyrs.

    I do not for one minute believe that the law in 1950 was correct. Just as I don't believe that all law today is correct. The law does however reflect the society of the day in a functional democracy.
     
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    I equally take your point and it isn't without a deal of merit, but one problem is where do you start and end?

    If you're going to retrospectively amend Turing's verdict then what about Oscar Wilde? Someone else that brought joy to millions who was punished by the state because of his sexuality.

    But hang on, those two were famous. Why should they be different from anyone else? Ok let's reverse any convictions whatsoever for anyone who was convicted of similar offences in the last 200 years. I could go on.

    The fact that Nelson Mandela was a convicted terrorist is a reminder of why apartheid was such an evil system and hopefully a lesson to us all.
     
  8. Gelsons Dad

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    Would that be Cheddar or Lancashire?

    Who's morality? Who's measure of equality or fairness?
     
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    Exactly. The only answer to this is contemporary ones. But what if, heaven forbid, liberal values were reversed at all. Would they then be calling for Julian Clarey to be arrested for crimes he committed (and not just the crimes against comedy) in the past? Of course they wouldn't and quite right too.

    It is totally wrong and faintly absurd to impose your views and beliefs today on the past.

    I hear this guy abused some of his wives. Anyone up for charging him?

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  10. I feel you are missing the point here.
    Nobody is calling for non-compliance with the legal framework.
    But Turing's 'crime' was to fall in love with someone of the same sex,and express that love physically.
    Just as black South Africans considered it a 'crime' to be banned from beaches/buses/restaurants/schools for their colour.
    Just as women in this country considered it a 'crime' to be banned from the electoral roll for their gender.
    Do you think that these groups should just have sat back,shrugged their shoulders and said 'well,we are getting a bad deal here,and this is grossly unfair,but hey ho - the law says we are second class citizens,so there's fuck all we can do about it'.?
    Turing was a genius and a hero,yet he was hounded to his death for being true to himself.
    He broke no law worthy of the name.
    To treat him in this way is shabby and mean.
     

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