Juventus accuse UEFA of anti-Italy agenda

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Referees should have to do rotations across different European leagues. I think it's a farce that Slovenian or Hungarian referees get big European games when they referee in tinpot leagues, and it will also create a consistency across Europe and keep each referee from being in 1 jurisdiction for too long.

 

[madden150]

Introduce V A R now! Let the ref officiate normally and use a video referee in the stands for big decisions. ie. Penalty incidents, offside/onside goals and bad challenges. Instead of the ref stopping a game to look at a video he can communicate with the video ref to speed up decisions. The technology exists so it needs to be used. The longer it's not then the shouts of corruption and bent officials won't go away. In the last year City's been fucked over in 3 huge games where terrible officiating has impacted the result- Arsenal semi and both Liverpool CL games, it needs to stop.

 

[ancoats]

Introduce V A R now! Let the ref officiate normally and use a video referee in the stands for big decisions. ie. Penalty incidents, offside/onside goals and bad challenges. Instead of the ref stopping a game to look at a video he can communicate with the video ref to speed up decisions. The technology exists so it needs to be used. The longer it's not then the shouts of corruption and bent officials won't go away. In the last year City's been fucked over in 3 huge games where terrible officiating has impacted the result- Arsenal semi and both Liverpool CL games, it needs to stop.

the fear the big club in england (scum) have about VAR is they would be midtable at best this season and getting worst over the next 5 to 10 years. and know wonder the game that VAR was used in the united game they made it look like school boys running it with bendy lines. its simple and it works and VAR has been up and running in the premier league games for the last 2 seasons and we have been told its just a pilot scheme in the back ground but the ref have been using it to help them in games and many have seen the ref going to the ear for help and asking for help ???

 

[caseball]

Liverpool v City at Anfield UCL. VAR might render the following: Salad goal ruled offside, Sané's goal ruled onside. Tackle on Sterling late on inside penalty area. They have a goal less and we have two goals more. The proper application of VAR used FAIRLY and appropriately will result in what happens on the pitch being reflected in the result. I think that is pretty damn fair!

Leaving out the two tight offsides at Anfield, the foul on Sterling is as clear a penalty as you could get, which, if scored, makes the game 3-1 and the goal by Sane that was ruled out for no reason makes the game 3-3 with City leading on the away goal. A different game altogether without taking into account tight calls. They've been made light of in the media but those two calls were just wrong, wrong, wrong and most probably would have seen City go through.

 

[burning blue soul]

if Madrid lose the semi by a dodgy given penalty should they then scream corruption ?

cant we accept Refs sometimes just get it wrong because it's f*cking impossible with 22 blokes cheating at rapid speed and the sooner VAR gets implemented the better

There are 5 refs looking at 1 ball being kicked by 22 players.
That's 1 ref for every 4.4 players and 1 ref for every 0.2 football's. They should be doing better at their jobs, no question.
Human error an over abused excuse for a total dereliction of duty by these "professionals"

 

[BlueHammer85]

There are 5 refs looking at 1 ball being kicked by 22 players.
That's 1 ref for every 4.4 players and 1 ref for every 0.2 football's. They should be doing better at their jobs, no question.
Human error an over abused excuse for a total dereliction of duty by these "professionals"

Ultimately Refs are getting it wrong too much for the modern game, they get the best training, they understand the rules better than anyone and nowadays have to pass strict fitness regimes. Yet they will contine making mistakes , it’s been happening since the game began and will continue to happen - we can either keep screaming and moaning at them and even accusing them of being corrupt or maybe just maybe take a few breaks in the game too let them monitor a decision.

 

[PW]

the fear the big club in england (scum) have about VAR is they would be midtable at best this season and getting worst over the next 5 to 10 years. and know wonder the game that VAR was used in the united game they made it look like school boys running it with bendy lines. its simple and it works and VAR has been up and running in the premier league games for the last 2 seasons and we have been told its just a pilot scheme in the back ground but the ref have been using it to help them in games and many have seen the ref going to the ear for help and asking for help ???

I think you've hit the nail on the head, introduce VAR and the officials can no longer determine the outcome of games involving the favoured few. In our last three games there have been so many bad decisions it can't just be bad luck. That wanker Atkinson and his assistants last weekend weren't even subtle in their clear bias towards the rag twats. They should be called out for their inability to make straight forward decisions and their blatant out right cheating. Then we had that imbecile midweek who was no better in his diabolical and corrupt officiating. At two nil up with forty five to go we had a chance to make a tie of it, but no, we're not in the right lodge so out we go. Cash is king, with those in charge liking nothing more than a rag or dipper domestic domination to up the Sky and BT subscriptions with their brain dead following or the wankers at UEFA wanting to ensure the usual suspects are always in or around the qarter finals and onwards. I've never gone in for this conspiracy stuff, but events of the last two weeks has confirmed for me that football is rotten to the core and until teams stand up for themselves the governing bodies will just carry on.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

The only conclusion i can draw from that clip is that Oliver could not have seen who the ball came off. If he has decided its a pen for the charge from behind then that is a very tough call otherwise he must have had assistance either from the linesman (Assistant Ref) or the 5th official on the goal line. I hope to god it wasn't the 5th official's advice given who it was (Martin "Young did not assault Sergio' Atkinson)

Long and short of it is it’s a challenge from behind and for the Juve player to get the ball he has to get some of the man 1st....pen for me but one given in very tough circumstances and 9 times out of 10 wouldn’t be given

 

[Skip Donoghue]

There is favouritism in UEFA and it's match officials reflect that, it's probably about how much cash each team going through could generate for their coffers.

As others have said it's not that the decision was wrong it's because everybody knows(which is damning of UEFA) that a tight call especially when it really matters(when it has the potential to change a tie) will not be given against a favoured club. A last minute Penalty against a Real, Barca, Bayern side that decides the tie? No chance unless it's a leg breaker and even then they might not give it.

We saw that numerous times against Liverpool, the tight calls all over the pitch, obviously there's the big game changing calls when it matters like Salah offside, Sane onside, Sterling fouled-the player handles it all in the penalty area but not one official saw it? Game changers.

More than that though I noticed niggly fouls they were doing on us in that first half for example barging our players to the deck from behind to win the ball back and keep their momentum going were all being waved on, with our players giving the ref a look of "what the f***?" In the second half he couldn't stop blowing his whistle when our players were just outmuscling them shoulder to shoulder, they would hit the deck looking assured that the ref would blow his whistle, affecting any momentum as soon as it started to build(which we struggled to do from the minute they went 2-0 up). It's subtle but a ref can influence a games momentum which can influence a result we had both that and the tight game changing calls in the first leg going against us, meaning we'd have to have been exceptional to get through against those odds.

Some call that "game management", "buying a freekick", "taking the pressure off for his team" and so on but it can't be called any of that... what it should be called the way it pans out in many of the crunch ties is "using the ref to your advantage" and when only one team is allowed to do it, it can become quite the advantage indeed.

Correct and Atkinson did exactly that in the Derby giving the rags the benefit in 50/50 situations and giving us nothing even when fowls/handballs were obvious
He changed tacked when we went 2-0 up and refereed the game corectly
he then changed back to is earlier stance as soon as the rags got back in it and then Went back to giving us nothing, it was as if we had taken him out of the equation by taking the lead but we let them ****s back in and at the same time brought him back into it also