ashytheblue
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It doesn't bother me, hate london and they can have any signs they want as i wont be seeing them.......up the north
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London Tube Change Greetings...
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gordondaviesmoustache
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'The world's gone mad' is a ridiculous phrase. As if it's ever been anything else.
Stuuuuuu
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We are born physiologically male or female. This is our sex. It's what we are and that's how it is.
I agree that gender roles and gender expectations are ascribed to us based on our physiological sex. So gender is a social construct.
If someone does not feel that these gender expectations suit them as a person, that's surely a perfectly reasonable stance to take. Examples might be a man who loves being around babies and is a nursery nurse. Or a woman who is big and muscular and enjoys playing rugby or is into cars and works as a mechanic.
The failing here is with society and our expectations - and what is accepted as being suitable behaviour for males and females.
However, what I don't understand is why people such as the ones I described above choose to define themselves as any one of a myriad of in-between genders. In my view, it would be more progressive to simply accept your sex but to challenge the gender expectations placed upon you. I thing that people who 'identify' as something other than male or female are holding back progress.
The one that I think really makes no sense is people who have a sex change. If you're physiologically male but you really feel that you are female, what does that actually mean? Surely such people are confusing sex with gender. You've got male sex organs but you're attracted to men, you socialise predominantly with women and you're interested in Love Island. None of that makes you female! You're simply a male who fits some of society's gender roles ascribed to women. Having your dick chopped off - to me - is extreme in such circumstances. Surely challenging society's expectations of you would be a more progressive and useful approach.
I agree that gender roles and gender expectations are ascribed to us based on our physiological sex. So gender is a social construct.
If someone does not feel that these gender expectations suit them as a person, that's surely a perfectly reasonable stance to take. Examples might be a man who loves being around babies and is a nursery nurse. Or a woman who is big and muscular and enjoys playing rugby or is into cars and works as a mechanic.
The failing here is with society and our expectations - and what is accepted as being suitable behaviour for males and females.
However, what I don't understand is why people such as the ones I described above choose to define themselves as any one of a myriad of in-between genders. In my view, it would be more progressive to simply accept your sex but to challenge the gender expectations placed upon you. I thing that people who 'identify' as something other than male or female are holding back progress.
The one that I think really makes no sense is people who have a sex change. If you're physiologically male but you really feel that you are female, what does that actually mean? Surely such people are confusing sex with gender. You've got male sex organs but you're attracted to men, you socialise predominantly with women and you're interested in Love Island. None of that makes you female! You're simply a male who fits some of society's gender roles ascribed to women. Having your dick chopped off - to me - is extreme in such circumstances. Surely challenging society's expectations of you would be a more progressive and useful approach.
che_don_john
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You're right to draw a distinction between physiology (sex) and sociology (gender). However, I think one major part of this issue that you may have overlooked is that many individuals suffering from some kind of gender issue are doing so not because of how they perceive or view gender roles but because their brain is effectively forcing them to think that way.However, what I don't understand is why people such as the ones I described above choose to define themselves as any one of a myriad of in-between genders. In my view, it would be more progressive to simply accept your sex but to challenge the gender expectations placed upon you. I thing that people who 'identify' as something other than male or female are holding back progress.
The one that I think really makes no sense is people who have a sex change. If you're physiologically male but you really feel that you are female, what does that actually mean? Surely such people are confusing sex with gender. You've got male sex organs but you're attracted to men, you socialise predominantly with women and you're interested in Love Island. None of that makes you female! You're simply a male who fits some of society's gender roles ascribed to women. Having your dick chopped off - to me - is extreme in such circumstances. Surely challenging society's expectations of you would be a more progressive and useful approach.
Some people may accept that their physiology is that one one sex, but their brain is configured to be the complete opposite - sometimes this happens during puberty and with the effect of hormones, and other times it's like that from birth. So, seeking to challenge gender roles and expectations as you put it (which by the way I agree is right to do in many cases, but not all) would not solve the problem for these people because theirs is an issue of sex. Their brains are wired or have rewired a certain way and there's little they can do about it accept perhaps change their bodies to follow.
I could imagine few things worse than having this kind of problem, hence why I have such empathy for them. The frustration of being one sex but your brain making you feel another must be unbearable. No wonder so many of them commit suicide.
Stuuuuuu
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What does it mean to have a brain that is configured to be male / female?
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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I'm a FOC from CBL3. Is there any advantage, financial or otherwise, to being anything else?