moomba said:BillyShears said:The knock effect of this has been that our UEFA coefficient hasn't improved and we will again face a group of death.
Our co-efficient has improved and as a group of death consists of teams from each pot we could find ourselves in a group of death regardless of our ranking.
BillyShears said:Pablo1 said:He's far from perfect but to listen to some he's not good enough for the dog and duck.
The Dog and Duck couldn't afford him ... ;)
Seriously though, I really don't think Mancini's dogshit. Not by a long stretch ... it's a shame that people don't have the capacity to be a bit more subtle than "hero" or "zero". He's a very very good coach who has achieved a hell of a lot in a short space of time. However as you say, he isn't the finished article and certainly in Europe he's proven to be ... so far anyway ... simply not good enough. He may well get there one day. Will that be with City ? I have no idea ... but this conversation began, certainly for me, from the comment that we need Mancini more than he needs us. I just don't agree with that and I certainly don't think until he shows a significant improvement in both his European results, and his man management and motivational skills, that he'll be getting a call from the clubs I mentioned earlier.
moomba said:BillyShears said:The knock effect of this has been that our UEFA coefficient hasn't improved and we will again face a group of death.
Our co-efficient has improved and as a group of death consists of teams from each pot we could find ourselves in a group of death regardless of our ranking.
BobKowalski said:Actually I think Mancini's strength lies in building teams that have won nothing for years rather than taking over the finished article and continuing or improving on success so Roma with pot of cash to spend would be ideal for him.
There would be no shortage of suiters for his particular talent but I don't think a Real Madrid type job would suit him or the club. But a big club that is down on its luck and not won in years with a bit of cash to spend? Mancini's your guy.
BillyShears said:moomba said:BillyShears said:The knock effect of this has been that our UEFA coefficient hasn't improved and we will again face a group of death.
Our co-efficient has improved and as a group of death consists of teams from each pot we could find ourselves in a group of death regardless of our ranking.
Forgive me, our co efficient has improved simply be being in european competition this season, however teams previously ranked below us have improved their co efficients significantly more than we have and therefore we are likely to be in pot 3. I take your point that it's possible to get a nasty group draw even whilst being in pot 1 & 2, but it does significantly improve your chances of getting an easier group if you're in a higher up pot.
shaun said:Very few,if any on here expect to win the League every year,or win the Chump's League at the first attempt.Just maybe,they and I thought that we might get out of the group stages,and give the shite more of a challenge in a one-team dominated
Premier League.Does that make me anti-Mancini and a gloryhunter to boot?
BillyShears said:BobKowalski said:Actually I think Mancini's strength lies in building teams that have won nothing for years rather than taking over the finished article and continuing or improving on success so Roma with pot of cash to spend would be ideal for him.
There would be no shortage of suiters for his particular talent but I don't think a Real Madrid type job would suit him or the club. But a big club that is down on its luck and not won in years with a bit of cash to spend? Mancini's your guy.
An unruly child often needs tough love ... but once he grows into a young adult he may need a more subtle type of parenting.
From what I've seen in the last 2 years we could be in Pot 1 and still face the group of death. We'd be that unlucky that Real, Barca and Bayern would be demoted for some sort of infringement and all endup in the same pot.moomba said:BillyShears said:moomba said:Our co-efficient has improved and as a group of death consists of teams from each pot we could find ourselves in a group of death regardless of our ranking.
Forgive me, our co efficient has improved simply be being in european competition this season, however teams previously ranked below us have improved their co efficients significantly more than we have and therefore we are likely to be in pot 3. I take your point that it's possible to get a nasty group draw even whilst being in pot 1 & 2, but it does significantly improve your chances of getting an easier group if you're in a higher up pot.
We were 28th ranked team last season. We are currently 20th rated team. We might drop another couple of places before the end of the season. But our chances of pot 2 depend on the teams above us qualifying for next years comp or not.
Pablo1 said:shaun said:Very few,if any on here expect to win the League every year,or win the Chump's League at the first attempt.Just maybe,they and I thought that we might get out of the group stages,and give the shite more of a challenge in a one-team dominated
Premier League.Does that make me anti-Mancini and a gloryhunter to boot?
Everybody hoped we would get out of the group stages as I'm sure everybody hoped that we would be closer to Utd in the league. The difference is wherever or not you're willing to give the manager (who up until this season had moved the club forward year on year) time to come back stronger next season or wherever you've seen enough and want a new manager who may/may not win the league or get us out the group stages.
The fact that we may still win the FA cup and finish second in the league shouldn't be forgotten either - so yes, to answer your question it does..