New Brexit thread (with added poll)

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Ric, 3 Sep 2017.

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If the Brexit referendum was held now, how would you vote?

  1. Remain

    408 vote(s)
    60.9%
  2. Leave

    245 vote(s)
    36.6%
  3. Undecided

    17 vote(s)
    2.5%
  1. SWP's back

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    Can't say I fully agree with that at all.

    The EU will still be desperate to trade with us, on what terms we shall see but it would be foolish of them to impose silly tariffs as they have a £19bn trade surplus with the U.K.
     
  2. mcfc1632

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    This is the 3rd restart / change of thread title in an attempt to get the focus looking forwards. The previous attempts have failed, I would suggest, due to the obsessive need of the Remainers to debate the 23/06 outcome rather than the negotiations process.

    Personally I think restarting with a vote that again focusses on the decision on whether we should leave or not is unlikely to lead to those EU champions desisting in their views that Leave voters must simply be wrong in all they comment, but I hope that I am wrong in this and we will indeed be able to see a vote cast followed by discussion on the period forwards to 2019.

    FWIW, whilst I did not find much common ground with Vic in the previous thread, I thought that his, admittedly 'tongue in cheek' comment, in the last few pages had merit:

    "Can we then have a brexit is shite thread where we can talk about another referendum, and cut and paste great articles from the Guardian, without interference from unreconstructed Brexiters?"

    If such a thread was available to allow Remainers to vent then that could be therapeutic and perhaps give chance for this thread to focus on the future. I am sure that the Leave voters will not feel compelled to 'interfere'.

    But in the spirit of keeping all things balanced and objective - lets say that both parties were equally responsible and now need to desist and focus on looking forwards and debating the negotiations.
     
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  3. blueinsa

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    Im still leave as i still think its the way forwards for our country.

    Im not anti EU for trade or many of the other benefits that go with being a member of such a large trading bloc but i dont want to be part of what will become a United States of Europe and i dont want the UK to be part of what for some is this federalist dream that will stop at nothing.

    As for negotiations or what we actually know of them so far, the rhetoric coming from Barnier and the EU just rubber stamps my decision to vote leave im afraid.
     
  4. blueinsa

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    Yet you remain pro Scottish independence?

    Sorry but i just dont get your stance as they clash completely with each other imo.
     
  5. For me it's just about prosperity. This country has never been so well off (5th largest economy, say the leavers) but that is being put at risk because of what? Trade is, and always has been, driven by proximity. Biggest world trading block on our doorstep and we're going to walk out, slamming the door shut behind us. People talk of getting a special deal, once we've left. We had a special deal before! No Euro, rebate, opt-outs galore and still we wouldn't stop whining and moaning, from the very top of the government.
    I hear many proponents of leaving talking about joining a market and not a political union and I do have a deal of sympathy with that. However, evidence from the rest of Europe suggests that arguement might have been winnable if we'd constructed it properly.
    It all smacks of the young getting shafted, once again, by the old in this country in a 'we've never had it so good, you're not having it all kind of way. Zero hours contracts, massive student debt, NHS going to pot, schools on their arses, public services being cut to the bone, pensions and MP salaries continually rising and protected. Pound soon to be worth less than the much maligned Euro and we are still importing more from the EU than before!
    The only good thing about leaving, for me, is that the UK government will have no body to blame for their incompetence, going forward.
    Finally, whenever I've been ar work, in the pub or at social events in the last 20 years, people have always moaned about, the NHS, the BBC, the economy, the state of the country, tv programmes, football (obviously) but the EU was hardly ever mentioned.
    I just hope I am wrong and leaving is the panacea we are led to believe it will become and I'll happily hold my hand up, if that's true. Will everyone else, I wonder?
     
  6. Vic

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    How can it be often touted and yet be something that we daren't say?

    The research plainly shows that the better educated you were the more likely you were to vote Remain. I wouldn't necessarily equate education with intelligence (but if the vote were weighted according to IQ it would have gone the other way). I don't know any Remainers who voted Remain because they personally benefit financially from the EU rather than because they think the country benefits so I guess you've come up with the thread's first real insult of Remainers (and the first real palpable nonsense, calling May and Cameron new socialists).
     
  7. kevin horlocks wand

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    I voted leave and I am not sure I would change my mind , but I have accepted we won't leave .
     
  8. manctheknife

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    Leave / leave.
    although I have a sneaking suspicion they will not let us out.
     
  9. mat

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    I voted remain. The people voted otherwise.

    I have no faith in the so called negotiating team who seem more concerned with protecting themselves and their party over national interests.

    The great repeal debate coming up it will be interesting to see how it pans out with rebels on all sides of the house.
     
  10. Vic

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    I think you'll find that, if that's an attempt to stifle the Brexit is Shite posters, the new thread title and the poll means the obsession with debating (and maybe reversing) the outcome of the referendum is alive and well.

    Even if it were just about the negotiations "looking forwards" then we can do that. Looking forwards, the negotiations mean that Brexit will be Shite.
     

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