Umm I don't think any of your retorts are valid, respectively, I will address each one. 1) You said Delph was a bad example and then used Toure as a new example, except this season Pep has not fancied Toure either... 2) You completely ignored the point of my argument, I didn't say Foden was ready for first team football, but against Celtic we had no way to go up or down in our group (champions league) and foden was a sub, everybody who knew about foden's talents expected him to get subbed on because the game was pointless, but Pep still refused to do it, this told me his attitude towards giving minutes towards youth. 3) You are simply saying that Pep has spent money at Bayern and Barca, yes, but he has never brought it so many players in his time there as he has here. Forget about inflation, just list the number of players Pep has brought in over 2 seasons and he still doesn't fully have the squad he desires. 4) Khaldoon even said Pep was brought in to win titles AND integrate youth players into the squad, he specifically mentioned Pep's history of promoting young players and giving them a chance. After reading your counter point it can be effectively summed up as "Well historically Pep doesn't promote youth anyways so..." That's not good enough. If players needed to be loaned out then why didn't Roberts or Unal get a chance after very impressive loan spells, why did it take him a whole year to try Sterling as a center forward, my thought, is that he isn't that at developing players. We bought Sane and Jesus because they were obvious talents, but any competent manager could work with these guys, Klopp and Poch are better than Pep at developing young players, the point it still true. Again, I like that we have Girona to send young players to, but Foden shouldn't have to be loaned out for Pep to recognize his talent. I'm not saying he should be playing regularly at 17 years of age, but he should be given the odd cameo in cup games or games that are done and dusted, and Pep may do that, but when he had players like Zinchenko, Roberts, Unal, Nacho who are 20+ in age and great prospects, well you can see why my belief is not very high.