Player Topic: Vincent Kompany (2015/16)

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Stagnant view? It's the best possible view you could get. I also watch replays when I get home and yes, there might be marginal calls during the game which I'm not sure about until I get home but the overall experience shits all over yours mate.
That's not a relic of an argument. It's the facts.
Yes, the experience is better. I already said as much. The ability to judge who has performed better isn't. For starters, your view is stagnant because you are in one spot. My experience on the other hand is dynamic. It follows the play. It zooms in to corner areas, its shows different angles of a play. It's assonine to think your singular stagnant view gives a better view of what's going on at critical momens. Frankly my view is often better than that of players actually playing. Not just my view, but that of anyone aided by the superior technology of televising.
 
Let's cut out the personal arguments gentlemen.

But yes, I think it's irrational to say that Otamendi has been better than Kompany this season.
I take it ypu ean, cut out the personal attacks. Which I generally agree with. But I see no legitimate argument as to How Kompany has been better. None.
 
I take it ypu ean, cut out the personal attacks. Which I generally agree with. But I see no legitimate argument as to How Kompany has been better. None.
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Yes, the experience is better. I already said as much. The ability to judge who has performed better isn't. For starters, your view is stagnant because you are in one spot. My experience on the other hand is dynamic. It follows the play. It zooms in to corner areas, its shows different angles of a play. It's assonine to think your singular stagnant view gives a better view of what's going on at critical momens. Frankly my view is often better than that of players actually playing. Not just my view, but that of anyone aided by the superior technology of televising.
But my view is bang in line with the back four and so I tend to spend a lot of time watching that area and taking in what our defenders are doing. Things that the camera doesn't bother with as they follow the ball. The fact that we're talking about that particular area of the pitch makes my seat in the stadium relevant.
I'm quite comfortable in my opinion that my judgement on this particular subject is sound. If you can find another City fan who thinks you're correct and Ottomedi has out performed Vinny this year send him to this thread - I might be waiting a while though..,
 
I take it ypu ean, cut out the personal attacks. Which I generally agree with. But I see no legitimate argument as to How Kompany has been better. None.

Sorry, yes I just meant some of the personal digs were a bit unnecessary.

Obviously it's subjective, and I like Otamendi a lot, but I personally think Kompany has been the better player so far this season.

I've not checked any OPTA stats, so am just going off what I've seen with my own two eyes. If that makes my view in some way not "legitimate" to you then so be it.
 
I could provide a fuller picture, and it still points the same way. By the way it silly to suggest attackers wanted to see if they could beat Otamendi and that's why he has more tackles. Is it also why he has more interceptions, headers, clearances and blocks? Or could it just be the is a better front foot player who attacks plays, and thus makes more plays because of it? At least that's what the tape shows. But feel free to feel otherwise.
Your conceeded only one goal is not holistic. Its a fraudulent stat coz it appropriates a team effort to Komps presence. We might have conceeded nothing without Komps too. But no one know. The only true facts are what you did in the team. omps may simply have played weaker squads. Or off form squads. And actually I'd you check the possession stats in the first few games you'd find they were heavily in our favor.

But all can believe what the want. By end of season many will have changed tune.

I have come to the realization it takes many a while to catch on because they focus on the wrong things.

OK, pls provide that fuller picture and then let's talk. Cos cherry-picking the stats you want to quote is what's fraudulent, bud. I also suggest you re-check who has more Blocks per game. As for your final line, what makes you think it's everyone else and not you who is focusing on the wrong things?
 
I would also add (since you brought up "maths") that 7 games is not a statistically significant sample. So the other poster's "come back in May" plea is actually relevant for that reason alone.
 
Sorry, yes I just meant some of the personal digs were a bit unnecessary.

Obviously it's subjective, and I like Otamendi a lot, but I personally think Kompany has been the better player so far this season.

I've not checked any OPTA stats, so am just going off what I've seen with my own two eyes. If that makes my view in some way not "legitimate" to you then so be it.
Not at all. Your opinions are no more or less legitimate than mine or even that of the guy who'd rather just insult me. I was saying I hadn't heard any 'legitimate arguments' for why he was better. True, it seems most opinion leans towards claiming he has been better. But none of those are any more illuminating than say a similar opposing opinion ( I.e mine stating he hasn't been better).

I'm not in anyway delegitimizing your opinion, I accept it for what it is, an opinion. Just like mine's is. I have equally watched every game. Most multiple times, and its my opinion Ota is better by a good margin. But that is neither here nor there.

The reason why I often reference stats, is because it bypasses our biases. Mine and that of those who share a different opinion. It's just stack numbers. You can skip the names and focus on the numbers. Ota looks better on the field to me. And even more so statistically. And seeing as they are not even close statistically, its hard for me to even see how JKompany could be deemed better.

If they were close statistically, one could argue the unquantifiable effect. They are not close enough statistically for that to matter. Ota is so far ahead on most relevant defensive statistics that I'm convinced the belief Kompany is superior is more likely a function of built in bias.
 
I would also add (since you brought up "maths") that 7 games is not a statistically significant sample. So the other poster's "come back in May" plea is actually relevant for that reason alone.
Yes, but again we are discussing who has been better this season. So whether it's one game or 7 games. We can still make that call on what we've already seen. Perhaps, one can't claim Otamendi is a better player period. But stating that Otamendi has been the better player 'this season' is not affected by the small sample size.
 
OK, pls provide that fuller picture and then let's talk. Cos cherry-picking the stats you want to quote is what's fraudulent, bud. I also suggest you re-check who has more Blocks per game. As for your final line, what makes you think it's everyone else and not you who is focusing on the wrong things?
What stats would you like for a fuller picture? And yes, Otamendi does have more blocks than Kompany.
Accusing me of cherry picking stats is laughable. I looked at tackles, Interceptions, clearances, headers, blocks, pass completions, goals scored. I mean that is pretty much every statistically significant defensive stat. So what exactly was cherry picked? Again, I'd ask, what defensive statistic did I miss out on that you think was key?

Let's be clear here, I'm not trying to change your mind on who's better. That's silly, as most people are entrenched in their beliefs, myself included. But I state my claims to show its not irrational to think Otamendi is better. There are enough indices in that direction already.
 
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