Qatar 2022

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  1. CityInWashingtonState

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    Qatar's award certainly seems corrupt.

    But I think Qatar's case is unique in that their are a host of other factors against Qatar's hosting WC 2022 (security, doubt that indoor facilities can be finished on time, fallout with other Arabic nations, human rights issues) that it seems to me, more likely than not, that 2022 will end up elsewhere, if not on the basis of corruption, for practical reasons.
     
  2. blue b4 the moon

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    Going to cost a fortune to buy them off unless corruption can be proven.

    Anybody who had their hand in the Qatar till will be sweating now.
     
  3. dickie davies

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    It's going ahead.

    As much as it's fucking absurd and was so corrupt we just have to accept and deal with it
     
  4. laserblue

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    Or boycott the entire tournament.
     
  5. Henkeman

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    Scotland have led the way in that regard.
     
  6. dickie davies

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    Too many outside issue are intertwined to Qatar, political and business, for England to boycott

    The most disappointing aspect of all of this is the FA knew it was a flawed and corrupt process, yet continued to proceed with a bid
     
  7. laserblue

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    I didn't mean England mate. I meant football fans in general. If millions don't watch any of it and even better if fans boycott the sponsors it just might be a wake up call to the complacent and corrupt crooks at FIFA. Another thing is that the revised dates for 2022 will seriously disrupt the scheduling of domestic matches in most of Europe for at least one, but probably more than one, season.
     
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    The bidding system of the time is the thing that always really rankled with me. The bids were all ongoing in 2009 in the middle of a global recession. And yet the FA's of England, Holland, Portugal, Australia etc were all forced to spend millions schmoozing and wining and dining corrupt FIFA officials to try to get votes that they were never going to get as the decision had already been made.
     
  9. dickie davies

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    And for the first time ever voting for two World cups took place at the same time, so there was an immense amount of collaboration and vote trading
     
  10. SWP's back

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    Funny how many are upset by the “modern day slavery” in Qatar (because a World Cup is being held there and it will interfere with the domestic games at Christmas) but no one gives a fuck about the same thing happening in Abu Dhabi. Only difference is that the basic is higher for those workers in Qatar than Dubai and Abu Dhabi.

    I totally agree the World Cup should never have been awarded there, it was almost certainly corrupt but City fans banging on about the alleged human rights abuses in one Emirate whilst ignoring the one that owns and funds City is hypocrisy in the extreme.

    Edit. Just read the article, half the allegations, if true, are illegal. Companies are forbidden from taking away passports. The act of doing so is illegal and would lead to fines and prison sentences for sub contractors. So is stopping workers from leaving the country. Exit visas are noW approved by ministry of interior rather than employers (they do a quick check to ensure people aren’t doing a runner from court or a debt). Another allegation which is illegal is the cost of transport being put on to the worker. Every employer must fund transport to and from Qatar for expat (migrant) workers in total.

    It’s also illegal to withhold wage payments to workers and in the past couple of years a new law and unit established to ensure these laws are adhered to:

    https://www.tmf-group.com/~/media/files/pdfs/country essentials/emea/qatar/qatar wps_oct2015 final.pdf

    http://www.mondaq.com/x/434888/empl...uction+Of+The+Wage+Protection+System+In+Qatar

    As for armed guards in Malls, never seen one once in 4 and a half years. “Family zones” and workers not allowed in Malls on Fridays? Absolute and utter bollocks. I’m starting to think the reporter has never set foot in the country. I was at Villagio Mall for a meeting this morning and it was absolutely stuffed with groups of migrant men having coffees and cakes and walking around.

    Qatar isn’t perfect. Far from it. There’s very little to do other than the beach, pool or go out on a boat (along with a dozen or so shopping malls the size of the Trafford Centre) unless you want to go to nice bars and get hammered. It should not be hosting a World Cup no doubt, that sort of thing should happen in countries where Football ‘is a thing’. But it will and the infrastructure will be ready and expensive and modern when the time comes and I’ll get to piss off to the Caymans or somewhere else warm and sunny, but it’s ceryainly no worse than Dubai or Abu Dhabi and far better and more Westernised than Bahrain or Oman.

    For anyone remotely interested in the real laws and changes made by Qatar in relation to workers rights, here’s a decent article detailing why the majority of the bollocks in the Independent article is either made up or illegal acts by sub contractors:

    https://www.oxfordbusinessgroup.com...nt-changes-have-been-made-qatar’s-labour-laws

    We, as City fans are well aware of fake news and certain editorial decisions to ensure articles are written with a certain bias appealing to the majority of the targeted readership. The Indy article may well have been true in 2012 but there’s not a single allegation in its article which would be within the guidelines of workers rights when it was written a week ago.

    When the gang masters made 50 Chinese cockle pickers walk around Morecambe Bay in the dark 15 years ago and 20 of them drowned, no one criticised the UK as a whole. They criticised the illegal actions of the employers. I’m not sure this situation is too dissimilar. There may well be some companies still breaking the law but it seems that every month the local papers publish stories of contractors being fined and having their contract revoked for breaking those laws.
     
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