Sturgeon wants another referendum

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  1. Damocles

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    Because politicians break manifesto promises all the time and she has no legal obligation to do anything.

    It's not like Scotland are going to invade York or something. They have no recourse outside of the PM allowing them a vote which she can do today, tomorrow or never.
     
  2. mcfc1632

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    Sorry MP - but that is just so utterly barking mad.

    Absolute nonsense derived from a level of wishful thinking that delusion sets in.

    There is no way that May will fail to set the timing and there is no way that timing will precede the next GE and it is most probable that the hosting of Indyref2 will be set out in the manifestos of all parties. The vote will follow the GE and after a period of time to allow for the public to make informed decisions based on evidence - so at least 1 year.

    Hence my comment that June 2021 looks good - there is simply no way, outside of an 'SNP wet dream' that the UK PM is going to allow distraction during the Brexit negotiation period and also no way the UK PM would allow an Indyref2 without a due period of time for campaigning.

    There is an Abba song about having 'played all my cards' and having 'no more Ace to play' that comes to mind
     
  3. Magicpole

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    We just need to wIt and see. One things for sure, we aren't going to decide it and we just need to wait and watch the performance.
     
  4. bluethrunthru

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    According to the Institute for Govt today there's virtually no chance that Parliament can deal with Brexit in 2 years - they will have 15 or more bills to debate and pass which means that there will be no time for any other normal government work in Parliament - and they cite the uncertainty brought in by the Scottish Referendum question being something that really makes it all not on. So as a result May simply can't allow the SNP their way because there won't be actual time !!
     
  5. Magicpole

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    June 2021?

    Over four years?

    What was that you were saying about Barking?

    You been at the Chum Biscuits? :)
     
  6. cibaman

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    If Scotland votes Yes May would have to resign. Just as Cameron did after Brexit and would have have had to if Scotland had voted Yes in 2014. Its a massive incentive for May to refuse a 2nd referendum, at least while she plans to be PM. And nobody in her party will pressure her to do otherwise, no matter how the Scots react.
     
  7. Magicpole

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    We know that. But that policy could be the very thing that swings it.

    She has to be careful she isn't acting exactly like we say she will.

    It's a judgement call. Undermine the Scottish democratic process to that extent then Holyrood is a sham. That will lead to much gnashing of teeth up here and whose camp do you think that helps?

    She may be able to make it very difficult by refusing and throwing a punch of authority.

    The punch coming the other way is an unelected PrimeMinister ignoring the democratic rights of Scotland and that is very tricky.

    It just is.
     
  8. inbetween

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    Ultimately having as many referendums as they want is possible but losing a second one would be political suicide so I say let them.

    I don't see the harm in allowing them to hold another referendum, if they vote to leave the UK then so be it. If they stay then the SNP like UKIP is made irrelevant and maybe the Scots will think about voting someone in who will run their country properly instead of one that bangs on about referendums.

    The referendum was in 2014 and was largely a narrow result, since then there has been a general election where the SNP has made massive gains and they are now being taken out of the EU. It would be pretty ignorant to say at this stage with any certainty that people in Scotland are majorly in favour of staying in the UK.

    I wouldn't want to say whether Scotland wants to leave but I would say a growing faction will want the choice, why else would they vote in a nationalist government?

    If anything ignorance on our part will make it far worse and that is what we are doing, it is what the EU did with us and has lead to Brexit. Nothing annoys people more when it comes to democracy than denying them the right to choose.
     
  9. smudgedj

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    She's not but Salmond (astute) is and will be leading the national socialist party within 12 months.
     
  10. cibaman

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    It might make her position more difficult if there was actually a clear majority in Scotland in favour of a 2nd referendum. As for her being an unelected PM, I expect that will change before Brexit is complete.
     

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