The Prisons crisis

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http://news.sky.com/story/instant-pay-rise-for-prison-guards-to-tackle-jail-violence-crisis-10774024

Truss is absolutely clueless, as is the rest of the government but at least its nice to see them treating London and the South east differently yet again!

Forget leaving the EU for a second or Scotland going its own way, the rest of the UK should push for independence from the fuckers down there who do honestly believe they are better and worth more all the time.

Imagine being a Prison Officer in Cat A Wakefield this morning and waking to find that someone in London is suddenly worth £5000 a year more than you because he works in a tough prison lol.
 
As a society, sooner or later we will have to face up to reality in relation to our prison system.

There are some people whose dangerousness means they absolutely need to be removed from society, but any sentence of under four years needs to be reconsidered in its form and substance, as incarcerating people for that period simply doesn't have the desired effect. With the advances in technology that are now widely available we should be looking past a centuries old method of locking people away in a building where they become institutionalised, commit more crime, and learn how to commit even more crime, and instead look for them to serve their punishment and (hopefully) rehabilitation within society.

We need a Home and Justice Secretary with sufficient backbones to take this radical step.
 
As a society, sooner or later we will have to face up to reality in relation to our prison system.

There are some people whose dangerousness means they absolutely need to be removed from society, but any sentence of under four years needs to be reconsidered in its form and substance, as incarcerating people for that period simply doesn't have the desired effect. With the advances in technology that are now widely available we should be looking past a centuries old method of locking people away in a building where they become institutionalised, commit more crime, and learn how to commit even more crime, and instead look for them to serve their punishment and (hopefully) rehabilitation within society.

We need a Home and Justice Secretary with sufficient backbones to take this radical step.

Completely agree.
 
Labour markets, mate. Differential living costs. Supply and demand.

Would you pay a worker in Papua New Guinea the same as one in Manchester?

This isnt about money, as the Prison officer union bloke is now saying on Sky news. Its about a complete and total breakdown of order within all prisons. Its a national service, not just a London and South east service.

Its an utter clusterfuck of a decision that is more about headline grabbing and look at what ive done to sort it out rather than it have any real substance or answers and it will absolutely destroy morale that is already at rock bottom in every single officer who is getting nothing.
 
This isnt about money, as the Prison officer union bloke is now saying on Sky news. Its about a complete and total breakdown of order within all prisons. Its a national service, not just a London and South east service.

Its an utter clusterfuck of a decision that is more about headline grabbing and look at what ive done to sort it out rather than it have any real substance or answers and it will absolutely destroy morale that is already at rock bottom in every single officer who is getting nothing.


According to the article, the reason for the initiative is to improve prison officer attraction and retention in recruitment hot spots. If they are expanding recruitment, that sounds perfectly logical. It won't solve the prison crisis but might possibly be a necessary part of any solution.
 
You know the rules around here public sector workers should do it for free as they all really lazy fuckers.
 
According to the article, the reason for the initiative is to improve prison officer attraction and retention in recruitment hot spots. If they are expanding recruitment, that sounds perfectly logical. It won't solve the prison crisis but might possibly be a necessary part of any solution.

I get that but numbers have dropped nationwide. The Howard league website has a breakdown of prison officer numbers in all prisons and you should see the numbers Northern prisons have lost and incidentally, out of the biggest 3 drops in numbers, the midlands have been worst affected yet no pay rises to attract numbers there?

Do they need more money across the board? yes, no doubt they do but they need to restore law and order first and foremost and as GDM says above, a total rethink of sentencing is needed because we seem hell bent on just locking folk up these days for stuff with little or no plan.
 
I get that but numbers have dropped nationwide. The Howard league website has a breakdown of prison officer numbers in all prisons and you should see the numbers Northern prisons have lost and incidentally, out of the biggest 3 drops in numbers, the midlands have been worst affected yet no pay rises to attract numbers there?

Do they need more money across the board? yes, no doubt they do but they need to restore law and order first and foremost and as GDM says above, a total rethink of sentencing is needed because we seem hell bent on just locking folk up these days for stuff with little or no plan.

I agree with you both about the need for radical thinking. It can't be denied that the system is in turmoil. My point was on the narrower pay issue.

It doesn't automatically follow that because numbers have been reduced more in the Midlands you have to pay more to attract and retain there. It depends partly on why numbers were lost there in the first place. Was it due to uncompetitive pay? Enforced cuts? Poor management? Other reasons? And an additional factor is current labour market conditions.
 
I agree with you both about the need for radical thinking. It can't be denied that the system is in turmoil. My point was on the narrower pay issue.

It doesn't automatically follow that because numbers have been reduced more in the Midlands you have to pay more to attract and retain there. It depends partly on why numbers were lost there in the first place. Was it due to uncompetitive pay? Enforced cuts? Poor management? Other reasons? And an additional factor is current labour market conditions.

The point Prison officer union spokesmen are making this morning is that more money, whilst always welcome is not the answer to the issues currently blighting the service and they are being completely ignored by this government. They did say that the announcement of money for some but not all will without a doubt further demoralise the majority though who are not going to get a penny.

Inmate numbers have to drop and drop drastically. You can be tough on law and order without locking every tom, dick and harry up when for most who are non violent and not a danger to society could be dealt with in other ways through technology and by doing so and easing the pressure within prisons and on staff, allowing them to regain control, surely that is the thing that will help to recruit more officers. A job that pays and is as safe as it ever can be.
 

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