nmc
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.. And our deficit !
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Vauxhall car plant, Ellesmere Port
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nmc
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Ryton was the most efficient and best quality producer of cars when compared against other Peugeot plants across Europe. It was closed because the labour laws in France and Germany require the employer to spend a whole lot more time and money when closing factories and laying workers off, such as investing in finding them new jobs, paying them considerably more in redundancy, and requiring much longer periods leading up to lay-off. With labour laws being pitiful in this country, it was cheaper for them to close Ryton.
You are right - often British factories are criticised but Ryton had good quality and low costs - it became a victim because closing it was easy and cheap. British labour laws are the worst in Europe and post Brexit they may get worse.
johnmc
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You are right - often British factories are criticised but Ryton had good quality and low costs - it became a victim because closing it was easy and cheap. British labour laws are the worst in Europe and post Brexit they may get worse.
So they may get better then??
East Level 2
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Are you really suggesting labour laws might get better under a Conservative government?So they may get better then??
Helmet Cole
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How can this be? Surely our EU membership ensures that workers rights are brilliant and so much better than if we had never joined?You are right - often British factories are criticised but Ryton had good quality and low costs - it became a victim because closing it was easy and cheap. British labour laws are the worst in Europe and post Brexit they may get worse.
Ifwecouldjust.......
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Can someone explain something to me please
Peugeot are looking to purchase Vauxhall Ellesmere Port and the danger then is that they will close the factory and move all operations over to mainland Europe to protect French and German jobs
Peugeot is 13% French government owned
When it was all kicking off in South Wales regarding the steel plant that TATA was looking to mothball, the UK government said they couldn't get involved or subsidise as it was against EU regulations
Is there a conflict here between what the UK abides to and the rest of Europe?
Yes.... EDF Electricity is largely owned by the French state and the rates in France are a lot cheaper than in the UK.
urban genie
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Can someone explain something to me please
Peugeot are looking to purchase Vauxhall Ellesmere Port and the danger then is that they will close the factory and move all operations over to mainland Europe to protect French and German jobs
Peugeot is 13% French government owned
When it was all kicking off in South Wales regarding the steel plant that TATA was looking to mothball, the UK government said they couldn't get involved or subsidise as it was against EU regulations
Is there a conflict here between what the UK abides to and the rest of Europe?
Simply many decades ago the british government had shares/part owned many industries rail, energy, ports, dockyards, british leyland, telecomunications, aeronautics and aviation, steel, coal etc
much like other european nations like france, germany, netherlands, italy.
Unfortunately some old bag got power and since every government has flogged off any national interest, something the other countries didn't do, so when treaties have been signed about nation governments sticking their oar in didn't affect already part owned companies
As we flogged off everything we don't have the option to do what purgeot can do and that is why our rail system helps subsidises deutsche bahn and spoorwegen.
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Helmet Cole
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To be fair that is a situation of our own making. When thatcher flogged off utilities to ensure competition and low prices, she created a greedy price fixing cartel that constantly hikes prices beyond inflationYes.... EDF Electricity is largely owned by the French state and the rates in France are a lot cheaper than in the UK.
nmc
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How can this be? Surely our EU membership ensures that workers rights are brilliant and so much better than if we had never joined?
Ha ha - we opted out of most of the benefits to employees - remember that's not the EU's fault. You can't even bring an employment tribunal in the UK without paying nearly a £1,000. Maternity rights in the UK are in the dark ages compared to most of Europe - that's nothing to be proud of.
sir baconface
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Your monosyllabic answer to his non-trivial question is misleading in that it implies it is "us" vs "them", i.e. that we want to do something and 27 other states want to stop us.
But it is not that way at all. It is simply that in the EU, we are all bound by the same rules THAT WE VOTED FOR. We agreed when forming these rules, that it was sensible to have a level playing field and not allow any one government to prop up their own businesses to the detriment of workers in other countries. We decided we wanted fair competition across the 28 markets, i.e. a good idea.
We also fondly supposed such rules would be applied with equal vigour across the EU. When the French were banning British beef imports and burning sheep alive, this got conveniently forgotten.