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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:03 pm 
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during the season, it was nothing but complaints about dzeko...now that we haven't watched him play in a couple months, everybody loves him and wants him to stick around?? if he is as good as some of you are saying, wouldn't there be a hell of a lot more interest, since it's pretty widely known that we're open to selling him? if he's that good, then it would be pretty easy to get our 27 million back?? but we won't. he's not a bad player, but this is NOT the system for him, and he is not good enough to be the main striker in a champions league winning team. all of the proposed replacements would be an upgrade. i like the guy, i'd love to have a beer with him...but he's not who we need.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:51 pm 
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during the season, it was nothing but complaints about dzeko...now that we haven't watched him play in a couple months, everybody loves him and wants him to stick around?? if he is as good as some of you are saying, wouldn't there be a hell of a lot more interest, since it's pretty widely known that we're open to selling him? if he's that good, then it would be pretty easy to get our 27 million back?? but we won't. he's not a bad player, but this is NOT the system for him, and he is not good enough to be the main striker in a champions league winning team. all of the proposed replacements would be an upgrade. i like the guy, i'd love to have a beer with him...but he's not who we need.

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Match-report ... ham-v-City AMEN !


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:40 am 
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during the season, it was nothing but complaints about dzeko...now that we haven't watched him play in a couple months, everybody loves him and wants him to stick around?? if he is as good as some of you are saying, wouldn't there be a hell of a lot more interest, since it's pretty widely known that we're open to selling him? if he's that good, then it would be pretty easy to get our 27 million back?? but we won't. he's not a bad player, but this is NOT the system for him, and he is not good enough to be the main striker in a champions league winning team. all of the proposed replacements would be an upgrade. i like the guy, i'd love to have a beer with him...but he's not who we need.

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Match-report ... ham-v-City AMEN !


ok, so what's your point? four goals is quite the accomplishment, but we played AMAZINGLY as a TEAM that day...it's not like he threw the other 10 guys on his back and carried us to victory. he also had some pretty atrocious goal droughts. everybody knows he scored 4 that day, we all saw it...make a point.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:54 am 
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We paid what £27m for Dzeko?? we'll be lucky if we can get £23m!!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:00 am 
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cleav wrote:
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during the season, it was nothing but complaints about dzeko....

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Match-report ... ham-v-City AMEN !

ok, so what's your point? four goals is quite the accomplishment, but we played AMAZINGLY as a TEAM that day...it's not like he threw the other 10 guys on his back and carried us to victory. he also had some pretty atrocious goal droughts. everybody knows he scored 4 that day, we all saw it...make a point.


I will make two points about Edin Dzeko's performance versus Spurs. First, Dzeko scored 4 of the TOTAL of 17 goals conceded at home by Spurs in the premier league in 2011-12. Scoring 23% of the home goals conceded by any team may well be a record in the history of the premier league. In any event, if Rooney or van Persie had scored 4 out of 17 conceded at home by any top team, the press would have made much about it at the end of the season. Second, if Rooney, van Persie, Messi or Ronaldo had scored Dzeko's 4th goal, we would have seen it over and over again on Sky Sports.

Before City were interested in him, Ferguson reportedly claimed that United were not signing Dzeko because he was too slow for the premier league (naturally it had nothing to do with financial reasons!). As a result, certain members of the press (who are astonishingly ill-informed about the Bundesliga but treasure anything that Ferguson says) had made their minds up about Dzeko before he even kicked a ball for City. (Last April, in what was scandalous for a professional football correspondent responsible for covering City, Ogden was still writing the same drivel in the Telegraph.) Sadly the press attitude to Dzeko has had a drip-drip impact - even on some City fans!

On average, the guy scored or assisted every 79 minutes in the premier league. On scoring, he almost always turns to the player who has created the chance. Everyone accepts that he is a genuine team player. In fact, he is always a credit to Manchester City both on and off the field. Dzeko is currently 8th in the Castrol Edge Ranking of every player in Europe's top five leagues. Anyone with any intelligence will not take such a ranking as the gospel truth. But only a moron would dismiss out-of-hand a ranking "based purely on objective data on the positive or negative impact on his team's likely performance of every touch by a player” and compiled, presumably, by people with no agenda vis-a-vis particular players.

According to cleav:
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"during the season, it was nothing but complaints about dzeko..."

Were it true, that would be the saddest indictment of City fans in my 60+ years of support. To the best of my recollection, I have never before expressed misgivings about the nature of the "new" support for City. But ....

There may have been constant complainers about Dzeko in those Bosnian versus anti-Bosnian threads but the latter highlighted Bluemoon at its embarrassing worst. Sadly, if drivel such as "touch like an elephant" is repeated often enough, the sheep start to believe it. But thankfully most of those who post on Bluemoon are emphatically not sheep; and, in any event, Bluemoon is not representative of genuine City fans when it comes to Dzeko.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:06 am 
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rickmcfc wrote:
The cookie monster wrote:
If tevez stays him and aguero will run riot..



Ths this this this This this this this this this!!!!!

and this again


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:53 pm 
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mancunial wrote:
rickmcfc wrote:
The cookie monster wrote:
If tevez stays him and aguero will run riot..



Ths this this this This this this this this this!!!!!

and this again




Hopefully they will but it wont happen every week, at some point for whatever reason we will have to revert to a plan B and it will be a far more effective plan with Edin as opposed to without him.

If anyone needs any more convincing, just think how shit a summer we could ALL be having at the moment....


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:31 pm 
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sbm wrote:
cleav wrote:
Cosmin wrote:

ok, so what's your point? four goals is quite the accomplishment, but we played AMAZINGLY as a TEAM that day...it's not like he threw the other 10 guys on his back and carried us to victory. he also had some pretty atrocious goal droughts. everybody knows he scored 4 that day, we all saw it...make a point.


I will make two points about Edin Dzeko's performance versus Spurs. First, Dzeko scored 4 of the TOTAL of 17 goals conceded at home by Spurs in the premier league in 2011-12. Scoring 23% of the home goals conceded by any team may well be a record in the history of the premier league. In any event, if Rooney or van Persie had scored 4 out of 17 conceded at home by any top team, the press would have made much about it at the end of the season. Second, if Rooney, van Persie, Messi or Ronaldo had scored Dzeko's 4th goal, we would have seen it over and over again on Sky Sports.

Before City were interested in him, Ferguson reportedly claimed that United were not signing Dzeko because he was too slow for the premier league (naturally it had nothing to do with financial reasons!). As a result, certain members of the press (who are astonishingly ill-informed about the Bundesliga but treasure anything that Ferguson says) had made their minds up about Dzeko before he even kicked a ball for City. (Last April, in what was scandalous for a professional football correspondent responsible for covering City, Ogden was still writing the same drivel in the Telegraph.) Sadly the press attitude to Dzeko has had a drip-drip impact - even on some City fans!

On average, the guy scored or assisted every 79 minutes in the premier league. On scoring, he almost always turns to the player who has created the chance. Everyone accepts that he is a genuine team player. In fact, he is always a credit to Manchester City both on and off the field. Dzeko is currently 8th in the Castrol Edge Ranking of every player in Europe's top five leagues. Anyone with any intelligence will not take such a ranking as the gospel truth. But only a moron would dismiss out-of-hand a ranking "based purely on objective data on the positive or negative impact on his team's likely performance of every touch by a player” and compiled, presumably, by people with no agenda vis-a-vis particular players.

According to cleav:
Quote:
"during the season, it was nothing but complaints about dzeko..."

Were it true, that would be the saddest indictment of City fans in my 60+ years of support. To the best of my recollection, I have never before expressed misgivings about the nature of the "new" support for City. But ....

There may have been constant complainers about Dzeko in those Bosnian versus anti-Bosnian threads but the latter highlighted Bluemoon at its embarrassing worst. Sadly, if drivel such as "touch like an elephant" is repeated often enough, the sheep start to believe it. But thankfully most of those who post on Bluemoon are emphatically not sheep; and, in any event, Bluemoon is not representative of genuine City fans when it comes to Dzeko.


that was a good post. thanks for that...and i don't really disagree with anything you say there, you make some good points. i especially agree that a lot of the anti-dzeko talk was instigated by the blind and obviously-biased support of the bosnian contingent on bluemoon. their opinions lacked objectivity so obviously, that i think it encouraged people to oppose them, and criticise dzeko in process (more than they would have, and more than he probably deserved). i know that i, personally, found myself in a few of those arguments, where my beef was mostly with the dzeko army, and not so much edin himself. i would never fully dismiss the statistics that you mentioned, i've seen them before...but in all honesty, i AM surprised when i see the numbers. i will say, that 4th goal at spurs aside, a lot of his goals were created more by the assister than himself. that's really not a criticism of him, because he did a great job finishing the play...but i do think he's less capable than the other strikers at creating something from nothing, and scoring a goal that was "all him." i don't know, take that for what it's worth...and maybe if i watched all his goals again, i'd feel differently...but the way i remember it, the pass leading up to his goals were usually more impressive than the goal itself. again, that's more of a compliment to the other guys than an insult to dzeko. anyway, like i said, he's not a bad player...he's pretty good...and he seems like a model professional, and a great guy. but i do think players like cavani, ibra, falcao, VP, benzema, etc. would be more valuable for us.

sbm, thank you for posting a thoughtful, intelligent, unbiased dzeko post...for some reason, he gets less of those than any other player.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:56 pm 
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cleav wrote:
sbm wrote:
cleav wrote:
ok, so what's your point? four goals is quite the accomplishment, but we played AMAZINGLY as a TEAM that day...it's not like he threw the other 10 guys on his back and carried us to victory. he also had some pretty atrocious goal droughts. everybody knows he scored 4 that day, we all saw it...make a point.


I will make two points about Edin Dzeko's performance versus Spurs. First, Dzeko scored 4 of the TOTAL of 17 goals conceded at home by Spurs in the premier league in 2011-12. Scoring 23% of the home goals conceded by any team may well be a record in the history of the premier league. In any event, if Rooney or van Persie had scored 4 out of 17 conceded at home by any top team, the press would have made much about it at the end of the season. Second, if Rooney, van Persie, Messi or Ronaldo had scored Dzeko's 4th goal, we would have seen it over and over again on Sky Sports.

Before City were interested in him, Ferguson reportedly claimed that United were not signing Dzeko because he was too slow for the premier league (naturally it had nothing to do with financial reasons!). As a result, certain members of the press (who are astonishingly ill-informed about the Bundesliga but treasure anything that Ferguson says) had made their minds up about Dzeko before he even kicked a ball for City. (Last April, in what was scandalous for a professional football correspondent responsible for covering City, Ogden was still writing the same drivel in the Telegraph.) Sadly the press attitude to Dzeko has had a drip-drip impact - even on some City fans!

On average, the guy scored or assisted every 79 minutes in the premier league. On scoring, he almost always turns to the player who has created the chance. Everyone accepts that he is a genuine team player. In fact, he is always a credit to Manchester City both on and off the field. Dzeko is currently 8th in the Castrol Edge Ranking of every player in Europe's top five leagues. Anyone with any intelligence will not take such a ranking as the gospel truth. But only a moron would dismiss out-of-hand a ranking "based purely on objective data on the positive or negative impact on his team's likely performance of every touch by a player” and compiled, presumably, by people with no agenda vis-a-vis particular players.

According to cleav:
Quote:
"during the season, it was nothing but complaints about dzeko..."

Were it true, that would be the saddest indictment of City fans in my 60+ years of support. To the best of my recollection, I have never before expressed misgivings about the nature of the "new" support for City. But ....

There may have been constant complainers about Dzeko in those Bosnian versus anti-Bosnian threads but the latter highlighted Bluemoon at its embarrassing worst. Sadly, if drivel such as "touch like an elephant" is repeated often enough, the sheep start to believe it. But thankfully most of those who post on Bluemoon are emphatically not sheep; and, in any event, Bluemoon is not representative of genuine City fans when it comes to Dzeko.


that was a good post. thanks for that...and i don't really disagree with anything you say there, you make some good points. i especially agree that a lot of the anti-dzeko talk was instigated by the blind and obviously-biased support of the bosnian contingent on bluemoon. their opinions lacked objectivity so obviously, that i think it encouraged people to oppose them, and criticise dzeko in process (more than they would have, and more than he probably deserved). i know that i, personally, found myself in a few of those arguments, where my beef was mostly with the dzeko army, and not so much edin himself. i would never fully dismiss the statistics that you mentioned, i've seen them before...but in all honesty, i AM surprised when i see the numbers. i will say, that 4th goal at spurs aside, a lot of his goals were created more by the assister than himself. that's really not a criticism of him, because he did a great job finishing the play...but i do think he's less capable than the other strikers at creating something from nothing, and scoring a goal that was "all him." i don't know, take that for what it's worth...and maybe if i watched all his goals again, i'd feel differently...but the way i remember it, the pass leading up to his goals were usually more impressive than the goal itself. again, that's more of a compliment to the other guys than an insult to dzeko. anyway, like i said, he's not a bad player...he's pretty good...and he seems like a model professional, and a great guy. but i do think players like cavani, ibra, falcao, VP, benzema, etc. would be more valuable for us.

sbm, thank you for posting a thoughtful, intelligent, unbiased dzeko post...for some reason, he gets less of those than any other player.

Honestly I believe that sometimes you need the so-called poacher in your squad somewhere along with the strikers who can create for themselves. It adds a different kind of pressure on defenders when they have to worry about incoming passes/crosses and a striker going for goal that mixes nicely with a striker who can create for himself as well.


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People keep banging on about Edin's stats but his record after November/December was attrocious. Yes the goals against Wigan and QPR were immensely vital, but had he retained his form we would've won the league a lot sooner. Did Bobby drop a clanger by dropping him at certain points? Maybe, but truly world class footballers don't rely on confidence in their place in the time. Some may point to Torres, but he had to keep Liverpool on his shoulders with Gerrard; the Scouse bastards ruined Torres.


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