JM Mcr wrote:
I must be mistaken then and United are still Newton Heath, or did they reform or go bust ? If so then why the 1880 and not the 1903?
Reformed........Improved by the removal of faults or abuses.?.......er nope united still have them.
Improved in conduct or character ? er nope ,united fans still not got either.
Cause to abandon an evil manner of living and follow a good one ? Nope or you would all be City fans.
I can't believe you looked up the definition of reformed in the dictionary (incidentally, in the context we're discussing I think there's a fair chance it should read re-formed)!
As for Utd, I really don't know where you're coming from on this. I accept they were formed
as Newton Heath L&Y railways in 1878 (1880??) before subsequently reforming/renaming/evolving into Manchester United......you're the one who's rewriting history, to fit your argument, by arguing that City were not originally formed (founded or whatever other term you wish to use) as St Marks in 1880, but were instead the product of an immaculate conception in 1904, coincidentally at a time that West Gorton fell within the municipal boundaries of Manchester.
Fact is that when both clubs were first formed as their original names, neither club resided within the Manchester city boundaries at the time. However, when both clubs first put Manchester in their name, they were both located in the city of Mamchester. City have played inside Manchester ever since and all the club's official merchandise has the formation date of 1894, ie: when we became known as MCFC. United on the other hand moved to Trafford 8 years after becoming MUFC and from what I can gather some of the club's merchandise shows 1878 as the formation date which pre-dates MUFC and goes back to when Newton Heath LYR was formed.
In the grand scheme of things it's a petty argument about United not playing home games in Manchester since 1910 (except when using Maine Road) but it's interesting that when John Henry Davies bought the club in 1902 he followed City's lead from 8 years before and put Manchester in the re-named club presumably as he saw greater commercial benefit to the club.
What I find incredibly ironic is that while neither club in their original formats were within the Manchester boundaries, Heaton Norris Rovers FC (who later became Stockport County of course) may well have been! I can't clarify this for sure (hopefully someone can) because part of Heaton Norris was amalgamated into Stockport before HNRFC were formed but part of it remained in Manchester until well after.