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 Post subject: Re: Trayvon Martin
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:07 am 
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Skashion wrote:
gordondaviesmoustache wrote:

I repeat, it is all part of a prevailing mindset that you can shoot first and ask questions later if you are the "victim".

These cases have risen by 200% since the law was introduced in 2005. It is that which has changed the mindset to allow vigilantes to shoot in public, not protecting your home. Protecting your home is a million times more justifiable.


Depends on the circumstances.

Shooting an eight year old child in the back because he's scrumping apples is not a million times more justified than anything I can think of.


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 Post subject: Re: Trayvon Martin
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:09 am 
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What is it then? The kid was part of a Neighbourhood Watch scheme, carrying guns and shooting people who looked at them in a funny way. His whole defence is the argument that he was protecting his home.

Obviously you don't know the first thing about this case. Read up and you'll be even more shocked on just how fucked up this thing is.


Give me a link or something. All I can see is that the young lad was walking home completely innocently, then the kid with the gun who was Captain of a Neighbourhood Watch scheme but with guns decided to accost him and eventually shot him. Are you saying they already had a beef with each other, or that the gunman had a history of violence? Other than that it sounds to me like the shooter is using the excuse that he was defending his home.


http://socialistworker.org/2012/03/21/w ... or-trayvon


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 Post subject: Re: Trayvon Martin
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:13 am 
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Skashion wrote:
gaudinho's stolen car wrote:

Give me a link or something. All I can see is that the young lad was walking home completely innocently, then the kid with the gun who was Captain of a Neighbourhood Watch scheme but with guns decided to accost him and eventually shot him. Are you saying they already had a beef with each other, or that the gunman had a history of violence? Other than that it sounds to me like the shooter is using the excuse that he was defending his home.

I have already explained it. Zimmerman was not in his home, neither was Trayvon. They were both inside a gated community and they both had a right to be there. Zimmerman was a Neighbourhood Watch guy for the community who thought himself a vigilante and treated Trayvon as suspicious because he was black. He followed him, against police advice. He was racist in the phone call uttering the words "fucking coons" and "they always get away". What happened next is still to be determined such is the fucked up handling of the case by the police but what we do know is that an armed twenty-eight year-old who weighed one hundred pounds more than a seventeen year-old armed only with Skittles (a packet of sweets) was shot and claimed that he feared for his life - after pursuing him of course, and then walked.


Woah hang on... I am not justifying the killing in fact I am horrified by the fact that the killer is still free. I am asking about the reasons why he hasn't been arrested. I cited the fact that he would claim to be protecting his home as he was involved in a Neighbourhood Watch scheme. I am interested to hear about this gated community thing, do you have any more info?

-- Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:16 am --

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gaudinho's stolen car wrote:
Skashion wrote:
Obviously you don't know the first thing about this case. Read up and you'll be even more shocked on just how fucked up this thing is.


Give me a link or something. All I can see is that the young lad was walking home completely innocently, then the kid with the gun who was Captain of a Neighbourhood Watch scheme but with guns decided to accost him and eventually shot him. Are you saying they already had a beef with each other, or that the gunman had a history of violence? Other than that it sounds to me like the shooter is using the excuse that he was defending his home.


http://socialistworker.org/2012/03/21/w ... or-trayvon


I can't see anything about Zimmerman's defence in there?


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 Post subject: Re: Trayvon Martin
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:21 am 
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gaudinho's stolen car wrote:

Woah hang on... I am not justifying the killing in fact I am horrified by the fact that the killer is still free. I am asking about the reasons why he hasn't been arrested. I cited the fact that he would claim to be protecting his home as he was involved in a Neighbourhood Watch scheme. I am interested to hear about this gated community thing, do you have any more info?

I know you're not. I'm trying to tell you this thing is even more fucked up than you thought. This was not a guy protecting his property from an intruder. He was a neighbourhood watch vigilante who fancied himself as a sheriff in his own little manor (a gated community). Trayvon had a right to be there because his father lived in the community. Worse, it's clearly racially-motivated. He said "they always get away" and "fucking coons". The call is now public and you can go and have a listen.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ound-world


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 Post subject: Re: Trayvon Martin
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:21 am 
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gaudinho's stolen car wrote:
Skashion wrote:
gaudinho's stolen car wrote:

Give me a link or something. All I can see is that the young lad was walking home completely innocently, then the kid with the gun who was Captain of a Neighbourhood Watch scheme but with guns decided to accost him and eventually shot him. Are you saying they already had a beef with each other, or that the gunman had a history of violence? Other than that it sounds to me like the shooter is using the excuse that he was defending his home.

I have already explained it. Zimmerman was not in his home, neither was Trayvon. They were both inside a gated community and they both had a right to be there. Zimmerman was a Neighbourhood Watch guy for the community who thought himself a vigilante and treated Trayvon as suspicious because he was black. He followed him, against police advice. He was racist in the phone call uttering the words "fucking coons" and "they always get away". What happened next is still to be determined such is the fucked up handling of the case by the police but what we do know is that an armed twenty-eight year-old who weighed one hundred pounds more than a seventeen year-old armed only with Skittles (a packet of sweets) was shot and claimed that he feared for his life - after pursuing him of course, and then walked.


Woah hang on... I am not justifying the killing in fact I am horrified by the fact that the killer is still free. I am asking about the reasons why he hasn't been arrested. I cited the fact that he would claim to be protecting his home as he was involved in a Neighbourhood Watch scheme. I am interested to hear about this gated community thing, do you have any more info?

-- Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:16 am --

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gaudinho's stolen car wrote:

Give me a link or something. All I can see is that the young lad was walking home completely innocently, then the kid with the gun who was Captain of a Neighbourhood Watch scheme but with guns decided to accost him and eventually shot him. Are you saying they already had a beef with each other, or that the gunman had a history of violence? Other than that it sounds to me like the shooter is using the excuse that he was defending his home.


http://socialistworker.org/2012/03/21/w ... or-trayvon


I can't see anything about Zimmerman's defence in there?


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/24/la ... -going-to/


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 Post subject: Re: Trayvon Martin
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:25 am 
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Zimmerman looks reasonably large framed compared to Martin, says he shot in self defence? really?


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 Post subject: Re: Trayvon Martin
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:32 am 
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royle wrote:
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Zimmerman looks reasonably large framed compared to Martin says he shot in self defence? really?



The bottom line is that Zimmerman is clearly a racist twat with an agenda.
He should be charged with racially-aggravated murder.
But he won't.
God bless Amerikkka.


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 Post subject: Re: Trayvon Martin
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:32 am 
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prairiemoon wrote:
I'm sure this topic will become to convoluted with nonsense to bite. FFs, you've already started.


How can you be sure it wasn't self defense? The police report substantiates the shooters claim with physical evidence of a confrontation. The shooter was bleeding from a wound on the back of his head.

Shout racism, get some celebs to sign a petition, same old same old.....

Btw, I am an advocate for tighter gun control.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/20/de ... d-enacted/

He chased after him for a start. That is an established fact. The police told him not to. Even if Treyvon, the hundred-pound lighter ten-year younger man, kid really, attacked him, he himself would have been entitled to claim self defence under this ridiculous stand your ground law that Zimmerman walked away on.

What part of saying "fucking coons" and "they always get away" isn't racist?


You are wasting your time with this one, the US can do no wrong in his eyes.

I have never defended the US.

I only object to ignorant comments from those who know fuckall about the topic being discussed.

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Skashion wrote:
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Skashion wrote:
What part of disagreeing with legalised murder is stupid?

I'm sure this topic will become to convoluted with nonsense to bite. FFs, you've already started.


How can you be sure it wasn't self defense? The police report substantiates the shooters claim with physical evidence of a confrontation. The shooter was bleeding from a wound on the back of his head.

Shout racism, get some celebs to sign a petition, same old same old.....

Btw, I am an advocate for tighter gun control.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/20/de ... d-enacted/

He chased after him for a start. That is an established fact. The police told him not to. Even if Treyvon, the hundred-pound lighter ten-year younger man, kid really, attacked him, he himself would have been entitled to claim self defence under this ridiculous stand your ground law that Zimmerman walked away on.

What part of saying "fucking coons" and "they always get away" isn't racist?

It is only alleged that he may have said coon, it isn't certain, and how is "they always get away" a racist remark?


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 Post subject: Re: Trayvon Martin
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:38 am 
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prairiemoon wrote:
It is only alleged that he may have said coon, it isn't certain, and how is "they always get away" a racist remark?


Don't know what else he could be saying. Still, defend racist murderers if that's your bag.


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 Post subject: Re: Trayvon Martin
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:41 am 
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nijinsky's fetlocks wrote:
royle wrote:
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Zimmerman looks reasonably large framed compared to Martin says he shot in self defence? really?



The bottom line is that Zimmerman is clearly a racist twat with an agenda.
He should be charged with racially-aggravated murder.
But he won't.
God bless Amerikkka.

And ignorant comments like yours are why he won't get a fair trial.

-- Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:43 am --

How many crimes, such as burglary had occurred in the months leading to this tragedy?

Really, what do you guys know about this case other than what you took from a newspaper column?

-- Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:45 am --

Skashion wrote:
prairiemoon wrote:
It is only alleged that he may have said coon, it isn't certain, and how is "they always get away" a racist remark?


Don't know what else he could be saying. Still, defend racist murderers if that's your bag.

Ha, ok so you're on a wind up, because that clip is indecipherable.

And are we sure that is a current picture of the victim?


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