John Stones - 2016/17 performances

[stony]

Would you trade Otamendi for Pepe?

I'd trade him for 5 magic beans and a can of Lilt tbh.

 

[The Riot Club]

We should forget Laporte and anyone else with no Prem experience who'd cost in excess of £40 million.

If we're going to spend that much or more on a central defender, we should bid for one of Koscielny or Vertonghen.

 

[domalino]

We should forget Laporte and anyone else with no Prem experience who'd cost in excess of £40 million.

If we're going to spend that much or more on a central defender, we should bid for one of Koscielny or Vertonghen.

Hahahahahaha jesus christ. Koscielny? £40m+ on fucking Koscielny?! He's 32 and he's bang average made to look good by the rest of Arsenal's team.

 

[The Riot Club]

Hahahahahaha jesus christ. Koscielny? £40m+ on fucking Koscielny?! He's 32 and he's bang average made to look good by the rest of Arsenal's team.

I think he's pretty much Arsenal's defence on his own. 32 isn't that old for a centre back and he'd cost nowhere near £40m, more like around £20m probably. Better than taking a punt on another player with no experience in this league who would cost about £40m. Sick of getting people like Mangala, Otamendi, Kolarov, none of them can fucking defend!

 

[jaiguruKun]

Lots of hysteria surrounding John at the moment.

Our style of play means we do leave gaps at the back so he can be exposed and we don't have an enforcer in midfield to protect the defence. Leaving aside their third goal his overall performance was fine.

 

[nellyonthewing]

Lots of hysteria surrounding John at the moment.

Our style of play means we do leave gaps at the back so he can be exposed and we don't have an enforcer in midfield to protect the defence. Leaving aside their third goal his overall performance was fine.

Not for the first time left on his arse ina 1 on1 ,out of position frequently,slow off the mark,can't tackle,can't head the ball. Not a quality defender just a poor imitation of Cahill.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

We should forget Laporte and anyone else with no Prem experience who'd cost in excess of £40 million.

If we're going to spend that much or more on a central defender, we should bid for one of Koscielny or Vertonghen.

Put stones next too van dijk and he would look much better. Desperately need a dominant defender in the mould of kompany.

 

[ADegenerate]

Put stones next too van dijk and he would look much better. Desperately need a dominant defender in the mould of kompany.

I don't think he's as much of a like for like replacement to Kompany as people might expect. Virgil is pretty similar to Otamendi. He's always ball hunting and is not afraid to slide. I appreciate that trait but many don't.

 

[The Riot Club]

Put stones next too van dijk and he would look much better. Desperately need a dominant defender in the mould of kompany.

We do.

But is Laporte the answer?

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Not for the first time left on his arse ina 1 on1 ,out of position frequently,slow off the mark,can't tackle,can't head the ball. Not a quality defender just a poor imitation of Cahill.

He did tackle and he did head the ball. Numerous times. Do people actually watch our games or just shut their eyes and moan for ninety minutes? He also played some superb forward passes. He had a very good game outside of the Falcao goal. A very good game.

As has been said on here already, that's what Falcao does and has been doing to the highest quality defenders for his entire career. He uses his strength and relatively low centre of gravity in a similar way to Aguero. If it was anyone other than John Stones we would be hearing nothing but praise for Falcao.

 

[paull1]

Stones biggest problem is who he has next to him. He's still learning his trade and as such should be paired with an experienced older head who can point him in the right direction. Instead he has Otamendi, who is frequently out of position or makes a rash challenge and gets turned, leaving Stones to deal with the aftermath. Quite often you will see Stones shouting instructions to Otamendi when he should actually be getting them.
The talent is clearly there and I am still hopeful it will shine through, it won't with clowns like Otamendi next to him though.

Spot on this.

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

He did tackle and he did head the ball. Numerous times. Do people actually watch our games or just shut their eyes and moan for ninety minutes? He also played some superb forward passes. He had a very good game outside of the Falcao goal. A very good game.

He really didn't. He's consistently the weak link in our offside trap.

Every single time a player runs at him he drops and drops and drops, never standing up to them and putting the rest of the line under pressure as they have to drop to track runners as a result.

The guy has literally nothing in his toolbox to date other than looking good in possession. That's it. That's all he had at Everton and it's all he has right now, so for me he hasn't shown a single sign of progression in the defensive game.

We are a far more solid team without him. Kolarov and Otamendi look better than Stones and Otamendi, and there's a reason for that.

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

Spot on this.

If this is the case, why does Otamendi look far better with Aleks?

It's because Kolarov is a far more functional defender and gets the idea of playing as a tandem. Stones doesn't.

I'm not saying Otamendi is without fault(he clearly is woeful) but it's not coincidence he looks better next to a player with more discipline.

Stones and Otamendi is a tandem of undisciplined players and it's chaos.

 

[Rolee]

If this is the case, why does Otamendi look far better with Aleks?

It's because Kolarov is a far more functional defender and gets the idea of playing as a tandem. Stones doesn't.

I'm not saying Otamendi is without fault(he clearly is woeful) but it's not coincidence he looks better next to a player with more discipline.

Stones and Otamendi is a tandem of undisciplined players and it's chaos.

It should be Otamendi providing the discipline as the senior defender, not the other way round. If Otamendi needs someone to babysit him at 29 years of age that's a major problem.

 

[domalino]

If this is the case, why does Otamendi look far better with Aleks?

Because Kolarov is better at covering Otamendi's many fuck ups, while Stones, still a kid and trying to focus on improving his own game, isn't such a capable babysitter.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

He really didn't.

He really did.

 

[paull1]

If this is the case, why does Otamendi look far better with Aleks?

It's because Kolarov is a far more functional defender and gets the idea of playing as a tandem. Stones doesn't.

I'm not saying Otamendi is without fault(he clearly is woeful) but it's not coincidence he looks better next to a player with more discipline.

Stones and Otamendi is a tandem of undisciplined players and it's chaos.

see @Rolee and @domalino responses. I also think Stones is suffering with a lack of confidence. The last thing he needs is to be playing with that ****.

 

[ADegenerate]

He did tackle and he did head the ball. Numerous times. Do people actually watch our games or just shut their eyes and moan for ninety minutes? He also played some superb forward passes. He had a very good game outside of the Falcao goal. A very good game.

As has been said on here already, that's what Falcao does and has been doing to the highest quality defenders for his entire career. He uses his strength and relatively low centre of gravity in a similar way to Aguero. If it was anyone other than John Stones we would be hearing nothing but praise for Falcao.

I think you're wrong here tugay. Whoscored has it at 0 tackles and 0 duels for john and 6/5 for nico. It's time stamped so I fast forwarded the game and took a look at all of nico's wins and I never saw john doing anything nor do I remember it happening when I watched it live.

***Edit. Actually they had it wrong. He did make an important tackle at the 80th. You're correct.

 

[Rolee]

I think you're wrong here tugay. Whoscored has it at 0 tackles and 0 duels for john and 6/5 for nico. It's time stamped so I fast forwarded the game and took a look at all of nico's wins and I never saw john doing anything nor do I remember it happening when I watched it live.

On the Otamendi thread I've directed you to exactly where Stones made a tackle yet you still claim he didn't?

 

[ADegenerate]

On the Otamendi thread I've directed you to exactly where Stones made a tackle yet you still claim he didn't?

No I had to fire the game up. I just saw it and edited my post.