We were dire in that first half but it's kinda strange the way our very good second half performance is barely mentioned. Also I want to give a shout out to John Stones who played some good stuff last night and was great on the ball. It's clearly been a learning experience for him this season under Pep but, at just 22, he has tremendous potential.
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Monaco - Post Match thread.
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Uncle Wally One Ball
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Exactly. The owners will not be happy as the CL brings prestige and so on, but I think for us fans it is a bit different. Its a fucking bent load of bollocks anyway, personally I will never be as invested in it as other competitions. I have zero faith in the integrity of it as a 'competition' anyway.Dust ourselves off and go again.
Bill
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Yep.Fucking shit.
Wrong player selection, wrong tactics. No Steel, leadership, urgency or savvyness (?)
Leaving the two most experienced heads on the bench was a big mistake.
Fucking shit.
bluemoonmatt
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Thats the key, ultimately Pep has to (and to be fair has) shouldered the blame, we are not however the Guardiola team many think. I expect come the summer we can address the very area's that currently hold us back. We could do a lot worse than enquire with our conquerers from the principality about the price of their full backs, particularly imo Mendy.Made to look rather ordinary by a younger, faster team who were more comfortable on the ball. That was us against Dortmund in 2012, and that was us against Monaco in 2017.
JMason1996
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Like i said to KHW, i agree a 2 man midfield wouldve been better however sitting back and defending just isn't something we do. And bringing on the talented lads if needed, surely that is giving in to the fact that we wouldn't be able to defend the 2 goal lead?I think the extra steel in midfield would protected our shit defence better. You bring the talented lads on if needed.
B\connellblue
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stones cost us goals over the two legs, first goal last night was a collosol fuck up first from fern then stones wank headed clearence under no pressure, sure he carried the ball out of defence well but his "defending" still leaves plenty of room for improvement. Peps constant fucking about with personell is no help to anyone. That 6" 3 or 4 centre back i have long coveted to partner hon would have got us through last night. Selecting sagna and clichy along with fern was the reason we got overrun.Stones had a fantastic game last night.
Did you not see that.
Bill
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Couldn't agree more.We were dire in that first half but it's kinda strange the way our very good second half performance is barely mentioned. Also I want to give a shout out to John Stones who played some good stuff last night and was great on the ball. It's clearly been a learning experience for him this season under Pep but, at just 22, he has tremendous potential.
We have diamond on our hands.
I phone my wife earlier and she said the same. Last night was shit but the future is incredible.
GaudinoMotors
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Sometimes just be realistic - it's not a Super Blue competition.You act like a bellend on a public forum with such an air of abandon, your call.
Fair enough.
I'd argue you have Pep tinted glasses, you complain about him like none other. Aguero misses sitters, Pep's fault for not playing Yaya. Defence is shambolic, Pep's fault for shipping off Joe Hart.
We all have our biases and I'm unashamed to say I'm heavily biased in favor of my team. We get enough fucking grief from the media, the FA and rags. You're free to join them if you wish, but strange bed fellows indeed.
That's debatable, Sevilla certainly look far worse. I would have said Monaco were the most dangerous team we could have drawn. They score more goals than any team in football and we ship goals like there's no tomorrow. Further, our defense is slow and their attack is pacey and red hot.
I went into last night very nervous and came out feeling that, ultimately, 6-6 overall basically says it all about City right now and I can't imagine we'd have had the same issues with Sevilla, or Dortmund, or PSG, or even Barcelona.
You just keep clinging to a bizarre "missed chances" comfy blankey. If you don't think selection is the reason for the Stoke and Monaco results - there is no reasoning with you.
Looking fwd to you responding to every line - I know it's thorough but it's fcking irritating.
Oh I agree. It's still two windows and we did buy someone in January. Funnily enough a quality young player.
Actually we bought him in August, he just took a while to get here.
Bill
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It was an if not a given . May not have needed them yet we all knew that line up couldn't defend for toffee,and against the highest scorers in Europe.Like i said to KHW, i agree a 2 man midfield wouldve been better however sitting back and defending just isn't something we do. And bringing on the talented lads if needed, surely that is giving in to the fact that we wouldn't be able to defend the 2 goal lead?
stonerblue
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Yep.
I mean, why would you not have your 2 most experienced players on from the start? Seems fucking crazy, and schholboy error-ish too me. Why change the back line, again?
And every player facing their own goal defending that free kick was just shocking, basic stuff.
Then no changes at half time?
Blew it big time last night.
Lovebitesandeveryfing
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spot on that, last player you want in fast pace, high intense pressing, tough tackling is yaya. He requires a slower pace footballing game so the choice for fern was made. Whoever we had available wouldn't have coped with the pace from Monaco, our problem was losing the ball easily and bad passes, wasted chances in the final third.
Might have made a difference had we had Vinny on the pitch along with -
Gundogan instead of KDB
Gabriel Jesus instead of Sergio.
Injuries made this impossible.
Yep. That's about it. That's why I have faith concerning next year.
Re. Vinny: I think we've been in the worst of all possible worlds over the past two years. We haven't been able to play him, and we haven't been able to resign ourselves to him being finished at top level. It's meant dithering where recruitment for the back four has been concerned, stopgap jobs like MDM, who did a decent job for a year then fell off a cliff, Mangala who was an extremely expensive, extremely limited footballer etc.
I would truly love Vinny to come back and prove me wrong, but I'm losing faith on that one. I'll go as far as this – a totally fit up-to-speed Vinny, in something approaching the form of 2011-12, and I don't think we lose that match last night. Anyway, that's all by the by…
Man_City_Loyal
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Exactly. The owners will not be happy as the CL brings prestige and so on, but I think for us fans it is a bit different. Its a fucking bent load of bollocks anyway, personally I will never be as invested in it as other competitions. I have zero faith in the integrity of it as a 'competition' anyway.
Totally agree, same teams will win it anyways.
I don't know whether its the TV coverage or UCL that makes me have no interest in watching it?
Majority of that side was Pellegrini's rubbish, hopefully we have a good spring clean in the summer.
Lancet Fluke
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We came second in our group. As far as I remember most blues were delighted when the draw was made, given most of the alternatives.Easiest team lol, you're on form this morning Bill.
bluemoonmatt
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Not knocking the point yer making but tbf with the evidence from just last weekend, our domestic game isn't exactly honourable and trustworthy.Exactly. The owners will not be happy as the CL brings prestige and so on, but I think for us fans it is a bit different. Its a fucking bent load of bollocks anyway, personally I will never be as invested in it as other competitions. I have zero faith in the integrity of it as a 'competition' anyway.
lancs blue
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Presumably Pep can also see this so why does he stick with a system that in the toughest games requires Sagna and Clichy to perform like Alves and Alba, something they are clearly incapable of doing?Thats the key, ultimately Pep has to (and to be fair has) shouldered the blame, we are not however the Guardiola team many think. I expect come the summer we can address the very area's that currently hold us back. We could do a lot worse than enquire with our conquerers from the principality about the price of their full backs, particularly imo Mendy.
Bill
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It's all about TV coverage.Totally agree, same teams will win it anyways.
I don't know whether its the TV coverage or UCL that makes me have no interest in watching it?
Majority of that side was Pellegrini's rubbish, hopefully we have a good spring clean in the summer.
I said last night on the train back that it won't be long before the final is a round Robin. More viewers per se. Oh and of course we know who will take part.
BBC going with
"Guardiola criticises players' approach"
No he didnt, he blamed himself
If you actually read his comments, I think he's making a pretty clear point - the players didn't do what he asked them to.
Because it's Pep, he says he blames himself for not convincing them, but the underlying message is pretty obvious - "If you'd trusted me and done what I said, we'd have won". The first time he's gotten close to criticising the players and a sign of how much this defeat hurt him IMO.