Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[urban genie]

Can we not just reclassify Gibraltar as a crown dependancy like the channel islands and Isle of Man, Spain will have no claim of us ruling it then and Gibraltar will be a free state under our protection.

 

[Magicpole]

We are asking for favourable trading conditions. ? Think you will find both parties want that.

Absolutely. But you have to see their point. We get access, lower taxes, companies relocate and exploit the fair access putting them a distinct disadvantage. Turkeys and Christmas cones to mind.

 

[mcfc1632]

I haven't heard that. But, from their point of view, we are the ones asking to be able to trade under favourable conditions. They would be justified in saying well, fine, but if you lower your corporation tax it makes us less competitive so why the fuck should we
be nice when your intentions could damage us?

I think it's a fair request and if we want be be a tax haven they won't give us access that companies could exploit at less tax.

Is it not obvious that, like the linking with security - it is simply part of the negotiations positioning - part of the UK's fallback position.

If we have to end talks and continue on WTO terms then all bets are off - if they want a) our money and b) our cooperation in so many areas, including 'agreements' on tax regimes, then they need to give us a reason, through the trade negotiations.

All people, if they wish the best for the UK, should be supporting the UK's negotiating team and not hoping for all the best on behalf of the EU.

 

[mcfc1632]

If we're lucky we'll become like Norway in all but name, if we're not and the zealots get their way it's hard Brexit.

My money is on the latter.

It needs, IMO, to be either:

a) The EU fold and give us the TA we seek - even though it will be 'dressed up' as less than that as the EU need to keep a face (but what do we care), or

b) Hard Brexit - we will recover soon enough - they will be holed below the water line

 

[bluethrunthru]

Is it not obvious that, like the linking with security - it is simply part of the negotiations positioning - part of the UK's fallback position..

Really? So lets say the UK intelligence gets wind of an impending attack on the beach at Benidorm or Magalluf putting British tourists in direct threat a British PM would not share that intelligence with Spanish authorities because we didn't like the outcome of Brexit negotiations?

 

[smudgedj]

I think we need to start throwing money at the political parties that support an independent Catalonia and an independent Basque Country. We can take the money from the Foreign Aid budget.

 

[mcfc1632]

Really? So lets say the UK intelligence gets wind of an impending attack on the beach at Benidorm or Magalluf putting British tourists in direct threat a British PM would not share that intelligence with Spanish authorities because we didn't like the outcome of Brexit negotiations?

What a silly post - and totally irrelevant to the point that I was making

 

[cibaman]

If we're lucky we'll become like Norway in all but name, if we're not and the zealots get their way it's hard Brexit.

My money is on the latter.

I don't think there's much chance of a Norway solution. May just isn't doing the groundwork for it, free movement of labour is too big a hurdle.

My money would be on a hard brexit, but delayed. Some sort of interim arrangement which would mean that we move to WTO terms circa 2025. I've never believed that german car manufacturers would guarantee us a free trade deal, but they'll be fairly influential in making sure that it doesn't descend into chaos in two years time. An interim arrangement might also provide a mechanism for fudging the brexit divorce bill.

 

[bluethrunthru]

What a silly post - and totally irrelevant to the point that I was making

That could be the upshot of going through with the threat of non-co-operation with the EU on intelligence matters if we are thwarted with some of our ambitions as May suggested earlier in the week hence the EU attempt to ambush her back with the Gibraltar inclusion in their aims.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Its a mixture of bluff and hard bargaining. The UK has a very very strong hand, its a shame the remoaners cant see it. 2nd biggest European economy and contributor to the failing EU project. Biggest defence force and no Euro. We can also easily cause divisions amounst the remaining eu nations if needed. Junker and Tusk know we have a strong hand. I have no real concerns aside from the deal being done by civil cervants who will drag it out and cost us more than it should. There is also a case that the uk should concentrate on attracting world business and trade and leave the uk eu trade as it is. No deal will be fine.

 

[smudgedj]

That could be the upshot of going through with the threat of non-co-operation with the EU on intelligence matters if we are thwarted with some of our ambitions as May suggested earlier in the week hence the EU attempt to ambush her back with the Gibraltar inclusion in their aims.

I don't think it's to do with intelligence matters; it’s all to do with fishing rights, if we allow them access to our waters they won't veto anything over Gib.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

We could, but it will make no difference - unless we plan to invade Ceuta and Mililla. Nowt to do with these negotiations.

Hypocrisy. Empty threats from Spain.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Absolutely. But you have to see their point. We get access, lower taxes, companies relocate and exploit the fair access putting them a distinct disadvantage. Turkeys and Christmas cones to mind.

Yep thats why in the end nothing much will change apart from having to listen to politicians waffle for two years.

 

[mcfc1632]

That could be the upshot of going through with the threat of non-co-operation with the EU on intelligence matters if we are thwarted with some of our ambitions as May suggested earlier in the week hence the EU attempt to ambush her back with the Gibraltar inclusion in their aims.

But - As I said it is negotiating positioning - a bit like Tusk making sounds about Gibraltar. It will in no way lead to the scenario you posted.

But the EU should be grateful for and give recognition to the value of that support - like European countries should meet their NATO commitments.

Why do remainers big up everything on behalf of the EU and trash anything to do with the UK?

 

[Hoghead]

I think we need to start throwing money at the political parties that support an independent Catalonia and an independent Basque Country. We can take the money from the Foreign Aid budget.

Yup, and at the same time start rumours that the UK Government has had a change of policy on Scottish Independence because they want to support the will of the people in the same way as Gibraltar want to stay in the UK whilst Scotland wants to stay in the EU.
The Spanish would be spluttering into their tapas. Ha ha

 

[smudgedj]

Yup, and at the same time start rumours that the UK Government has had a change of policy on Scottish Independence because they want to support the will of the people in the same way as Gibraltar want to stay in the UK whilst Scotland wants to stay in the EU.
The Spanish would be spluttering into their tapas. Ha ha

They'll have to splutter into them as they won't have any fish to put in them. lol

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

But - As I said it is negotiating positioning - a bit like Tusk making sounds about Gibraltar. It will in no way lead to the scenario you posted.

But the EU should be grateful for and give recognition to the value of that support - like European countries should meet their NATO commitments.

Why do remainers big up everything on behalf of the EU and trash anything to do with the UK?

Because they want it to be a disaster , they want the uk to go into economic meltdown, the eu to flourish and prosper and then they can post on blue moon "see I told you so".

 

[blueinsa]

For Gibraltar see Falklands.

Thats not bravado, its just reality.

Stunts like this from the EU just further rubber stamps my leave vote.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

But - As I said it is negotiating positioning - a bit like Tusk making sounds about Gibraltar. It will in no way lead to the scenario you posted.

But the EU should be grateful for and give recognition to the value of that support - like European countries should meet their NATO commitments.

Why do remainers big up everything on behalf of the EU and trash anything to do with the UK?

Possibly Insecure pessimistics

 

[aguero93:20]

I think we need to start throwing money at the political parties that support an independent Catalonia and an independent Basque Country. We can take the money from the Foreign Aid budget.

Surely arming E.T.A. would be more in line with UK policy?