General Election June 8th

[sir baconface]

I am not filled with bile or hate. I'm a lovely fella. Ask anybody. :)

Well I think so, mate. Even if no other cnut does.

 

[SWP's back]

:(

WYSIWYG. The Beast of Bolsover is the only one of that lot that I like.

Search "wank stain" on the thread.

Was an in-joke. Someone called him one earlier and loads jumped to his defence. So when I saw I saw his name....

The political equivalent of a shit bag on a train.

 

[SWP's back]

May was the one I was talking about as being untrustworthy (though I think it's been lost in that quotation as i was responding to an earlier question). And yes I know Corbyn is talking about hospitals etc I was more referring to the press and the voting public. Everyone's become so obsessed with Brexit that everything else is being left to go to shit. That said, I think it was absurd for Labour not even mention the B work once in their 10 election pledges yesterday when that's entirely what the election is about. I'm coming at this from a pro-Labour perspective (though I do find Corbyn massively frustrating and want him replaced as soon as all of this is over).

Len got confused and thought you were a Tory from you previous post that he replied to I think (though I'm not sure how).

 

[sir baconface]

Search "wank stain" on the thread.

Was an in-joke. Someone called him one earlier and loads jumped to his defence. So when I saw I saw his name....

The political equivalent of a shit bag on a train.

Ah right. Missed that. Must keep up!

 

[SWP's back]

Ah right. Missed that. Must keep up!

Nah. There's only a handful of sad sacks like me that have read every page.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I actually felt sorry for Jack Dromey on the Daily Politics. He was skewered by Neil who kept asking him to define who were the wealth extractors referred to by Corbyn and how could they be expected to suffer under Labour. "Wait for the manifesto" became his stock answer, as if the manifesto will contain a comprehensive list of Labour's target companies.

If Corbyn keeps speaking in student slogans and leaves it to the foot soldiers to take the flak, he might find it difficult to find MPs who are prepared to put themselves forward to rationalise his "policies".

'Wealth extractors,' what does this bollox mean, is Corbyn talking about Brinks Mat robbers or those old
blokes who robbed Hatton Garden? He is still wedded to student union style politics, ie; hate and despise anyone
who's had the temerity to earn a few quid and tax 'The Rich' as they'll not mind paying 83% tax, after all Labour introduced
the same scam in the late 60's, and it worked a treat then didn't it?
A clueless, bumbling weird beard, the type I thought we'd laughed out of court fucking donkey's years ago, although he'll surround
himself with his 400,000 odd media studies faithful, gather them around, launch into a tirade about 'Fairness', 'inequality' and
convince himself he's the one.
I think it was Jack Straw who threw this clowns hat into the ring when the leadership question came up, just to give 'Balance,'
in so doing he's made a once powerful political force a laughing stock.

 

[Blue Hefner]

I actually felt sorry for Jack Dromey on the Daily Politics. He was skewered by Neil who kept asking him to define who were the wealth extractors referred to by Corbyn and how could they be expected to suffer under Labour. "Wait for the manifesto" became his stock answer, as if the manifesto will contain a comprehensive list of Labour's target companies.

If Corbyn keeps speaking in student slogans and leaves it to the foot soldiers to take the flak, he might find it difficult to find MPs who are prepared to put themselves forward to rationalise his "policies".

I do like Andrew Neil and the Labour bloke on there really had nowhere to go. He mentioned the obvious ones Philip Green and Sports direct but would not be drawn on M&S, Bill Gates and Tesco, amongst others

If Corbyn is going to talk in soundbites, he needs to word his members up as to how to answer when asked specifics.

Preaching to the converted about 'wealth extractors' might get applause in a room but, unless it has any substance, won't really get off the ground. Like most of Corbyn' ideas, probably sounds good on the face of it but in the real world, it takes more work, political know-how and public support than they have at the moment

 

[Danish Blue]

I think people are reading way too much in to this election.


I personally think it will be quite a boring campaign on all fronts given the short notice and it’s primarily centred around Brexit policy and not policy related to other national issues. During the election campaign in 2015 nobody knew the UK would be leaving the EU and as a result had no Brexit policy in their manifesto. If May avoided the snap election then Brexit would be painful with the EU bureaucrats claiming at every opportunity that May doesn’t have the backing of her country as she hasn’t won an election. (Although she was elected as an MP and was then elected to be leader..). The House of Lords would also make it difficult to pass any Brexit related law as none of it was in the parties’ manifesto. If the tories gain a further majority in the Commons after this election then the law making process for Brexit policy will be a lot smoother on the Lord’s side.

I agree to a large part, however I would be dissapointed if , as this is a general election, the parties didn't broaden the discussion. This for me is one reason why I don't favour televised debates. Any televised debate will consist of a lot of completely irrelevant posturing regarding Brexit as we can all say what we would like, but until the guys on the other side reveal their hand it doesn't mean a lot. The other thing that will feature will be lots of people asking why the PM why she lied, as opposed to changed her mind. None of this is helpful. I would prefer all parties discussed a broad spectrum of issues.

 

[cibaman]

I do like Andrew Neil and the Labour bloke on there really had nowhere to go. He mentioned the obvious ones Philip Green and Sports direct but would not be drawn on M&S, Bill Gates and Tesco, amongst others

If Corbyn is going to talk in soundbites, he needs to word his members up as to how to answer when asked specifics.

Preaching to the converted about 'wealth extractors' might get applause in a room but, unless it has any substance, won't really get off the ground. Like most of Corbyn' ideas, probably sounds good on the face of it but in the real world, it takes more work, political know-how and public support than they have at the moment

Denis Healey once spoke about traipsing around with Michael Foot in 1983, going to these small gatherings of Labour supporters. He said that Foot was convinced that Labour win the election because of the strength of support he received at these meetings. Try as he did, Healey couldn't convince him that they didnt reflect the wider electorate.

 

[law74]

'Wealth extractors,' what does this bollox mean, is Corbyn talking about Brinks Mat robbers or those old
blokes who robbed Hatton Garden? He is still wedded to student union style politics, ie; hate and despise anyone
who's had the temerity to earn a few quid and tax 'The Rich' as they'll not mind paying 83% tax, after all Labour introduced
the same scam in the late 60's, and it worked a treat then didn't it?
A clueless, bumbling weird beard, the type I thought we'd laughed out of court fucking donkey's years ago, although he'll surround
himself with his 400,000 odd media studies faithful, gather them around, launch into a tirade about 'Fairness', 'inequality' and
convince himself he's the one.
I think it was Jack Straw who threw this clowns hat into the ring when the leadership question came up, just to give 'Balance,'
in so doing he's made a once powerful political force a laughing stock.

Research "Panama papers" & it will give you a starting reference point.
Sadly HM Press Corps (or their owners) felt theft from the public purse not worth reporting.

 

[SWP's back]

Research "Panama papers" & it will give you a starting reference point.
Sadly HM Press Corps (or their owners) felt theft from the public purse not worth reporting.

Weird, type "panama papers daily mail" and there's eight different articles on their website on the first page alone.

 

[smudgedj]

The BBC are a law to themselves as are their employees apparently.

It's the unique way they are funded.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

This election's going to be the first time I haven't voted labour, don't think I will be on my own either.

 

[Ban-jani]

Is the correct answer.

What the tories do very well, and always have, is make the debate about the weakest in our society being "scroungers" etc. In effect they turn the binman against the dinner lady, and do it so successfully that we end up not noticing that our public services could be properly funded if only people and corps that already have more money than they could spend were only made to pay a fair amount in tax.

However as a committed brexiteer I will struggle to vote labour this time as I believe they would overturn Brexit and that's more important in the short term.

Next GE, after full Brexit, is the time to vote labour in my opinion.

That said I'd rather die than vote conservative.

Fucking hell, finally a leftie that understands Brexit is the best option for him.

I completely disagree with you on domestic policies and will be voting Tory but you should give yourself a pat on the back for being the only left-winger, other than Corbyn, to see that Brexit is how he gets his left wing society.

Why can't the rest of your persuasion see that under a globalised capatalist union, such as the EU, you cannot get socialism in the UK?

 

[urban genie]

Fucking hell, finally a leftie that understands Brexit is the best option for him.

I completely disagree with you on domestic policies and will be voting Tory but you should give yourself a pat on the back for being the only left-winger, other than Corbyn, to see that Brexit is how he gets his left wing society.

Why can't the rest of your persuasion see that under a globalised capatalist union, such as the EU, you cannot get socialism in the UK?

Read back about 20 pages where I said in an ideal world I would have voted leave, as any decent socialist would oppose the EU as it is and the way it treats it's members outside the big 4 countries.

Unfortunately I don't trust the tories to deliver a britain that looks after it's people which is why I voted remain to keep the working time directive, maternity/paternity rights, holiday rights and rights for part time workers, all which I expect to dissapear if may gets a landslide.

The EU can get to fuck for all I care it's a trading cartel that bullies the likes of Greece, portugal and the eastern block countries to comply with some right bollocks

Exiting the EU isn't a right left thing, prenty of tories want to stay while a lot of lefties want to leave.

 

[Magicpole]

Well I think so, mate. Even if no other cnut does.

A man of exquisite taste.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Fucking hell, finally a leftie that understands Brexit is the best option for him.

I completely disagree with you on domestic policies and will be voting Tory but you should give yourself a pat on the back for being the only left-winger, other than Corbyn, to see that Brexit is how he gets his left wing society.

Why can't the rest of your persuasion see that under a globalised capatalist union, such as the EU, you cannot get socialism in the UK?

I consider myself a 'left-winger' but voted to Leave the EU - I am unlikely to vote for Labour this time around

 

[law74]

Read back about 20 pages where I said in an ideal world I would have voted leave, as any decent socialist would oppose the EU as it is and the way it treats it's members outside the big 4 countries.

Unfortunately I don't trust the tories to deliver a britain that looks after it's people which is why I voted remain to keep the working time directive, maternity/paternity rights, holiday rights and rights for part time workers, all which I expect to dissapear if may gets a landslide.

The EU can get to fuck for all I care it's a trading cartel that bullies the likes of Greece, portugal and the eastern block countries to comply with some right bollocks

Exiting the EU isn't a right left thing, prenty of tories want to stay while a lot of lefties want to leave.

Im not sure if many on here would class me as a "leftie" but I certainly wasn't upset about leaving a neo-liberal capitalist cartel.

 

[urban genie]

Im not sure if many on here would class me as a "leftie" but I certainly wasn't upset about leaving a neo-liberal capitalist cartel.

And even though I voted remain for the reasons I said, if labour had been in I would have voted leave, and haven't been arsed by the result one bit, I do know some who are distraut, why is beyond me, but now we are leaving it we need a government that looks after the people, not themselves.

 

[Dextersmate]

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