General Election June 8th

[Len Rum]

Len - bumping this for you as you obviously missed it

Sorry mate, had a game to get through today.
Not sure what bit of No Tories, No referendum, No Brexit you don't understand, but will reply in the fullness of time at my convenience.
Thank you.

 

[SWP's back]

Bury Norths Lib Dem candidate has urged his supporters to vote labour to overturn the 300+ tory majority of last time and will not campaign in the constituency, LD central office have decided not to comment on it at present.

How very small time.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Sorry mate, had a game to get through today.
Not sure what bit of No Tories, No referendum, No Brexit you don't understand, but will reply in the fullness of time at my convenience.
Thank you.

You say that like the vote to leave was a bad thing.

 

[mcfc1632]

Sorry mate, had a game to get through today.
Not sure what bit of No Tories, No referendum, No Brexit you don't understand, but will reply in the fullness of time at my convenience.
Thank you.

Fair enough - I took a while to get around to your question- but I did answer it.

I also had a match today and am sat in the bar at the Novotel at Wembley because I made the mistake of asking - rather than telling - my 9 year old child which match we should go to - oh um

 

[urban genie]

Fuck it been on the lash since 10:30 and city have won, I have no capacity to write a lengthy comment so.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Fair enough - I took a while to get around to your question- but I did answer it.

I seem to remember you replied, which is not the same thing.

I also had a match today and am sat in the bar at the Novotel at Wembley because I made the mistake of asking - rather than telling - my 9 year old child which match we should go to - oh um

You should have listened to youth last summer, they're the ones who are going to pay.

 

[mcfc1632]

I seem to remember you replied, which is not the same thing.


You should have listened to youth last summer, they're the ones who are going to pay.

Re that first comment - you are wrong clearly - IMO. I most certainly answered Len's post - you were probably not able to recognise / understand a post that was factual and contained substance - my apology for not using a paste from the Guardian or a GIF

I would love to get into a debate with you on that subject and stand ready

But - seeing as you seem to be 'up for it' - why not try entering into a debate with me on the Labour 'policy' on Brexit? You could start by answering point 3 of my post on page 184 and I will take it from there - we will all be able to see just how much 'substance' you actually have

Re the 2nd point - that is why I am so keen to see the UK leave the EU. I am looking after my daughter's future and have, IMO, the capability to think and assess what is best for her.

If I was selfish, or a faux socialist, and only thought of what is best for my own investments and pensions over the short - medium term I would support Remaining

 

[Len Rum]

Re that first comment - you are wrong clearly - IMO. I most certainly answered Len's post - you were probably not able to recognise / understand a post that was factual and containing substance - my apology for not using a paste from the Guardian or a GIF

I would love to get into a debate with you on that subject and stand ready

But - seeing as you seem to be 'up for it' - why not try entering into a debate with me on the Labour 'policy' on Brexit? You could start by answering point 3 of my post on page 184 and I will take it from there - we will all be able to see just how much 'substance' you actually have

Re the 2nd point - that is why I am so keen to see the UK leave the EU. I am looking after my daughter's future and have, IMO, the capability to think and assess what is best for her.

If I was selfish, or a faux socialist, and only thought of what is best for my own investments and pensions over the short - medium term I would support Remaining

Care to expand on that last paragraph? (In your own time of course).

 

[The perfect fumble]

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Re that first comment - you are wrong clearly - IMO. I most certainly answered Len's post - you were probably not able to recognise / understand a post that was factual and containing substance - my apology for not using a paste from the Guardian or a GIF

I would love to get into a debate with you on that subject and stand ready

But - seeing as you seem to be 'up for it' - why not try entering into a debate with me on the Labour 'policy' on Brexit? You could start by answering point 3 of my post on page 184 and I will take it from there - we will all be able to see just how much 'substance' you actually have

Re the 2nd point - that is why I am so keen to see the UK leave the EU. I am looking after my daughter's future and have, IMO, the capability to think and assess what is best for her.

If I was selfish, or a faux socialist, and only thought of what is best for my own investments and pensions over the short - medium term I would support Remaining

Don't kid yourself you voted for your daughters future, you gambled and your bluff carried the day but now the consequences kick in. Future generations will scarcely believe this folly.

I've no idea how old you are but it may require the older generation to shuffle off before this disaster can be rectified. You are uncharacteristically right when you state Brexit will not make this country richer in the short to medium term, no credible source believes Brexit will boost our GDP. But you seem remarkably relaxed about the long term, which is strange, considering whatever fanciful Brexit nirvana you believe in awaits, by your own admission, on the far horizon. If such a place exists, it is a very, very long way off.

For my sins I've read the rag bag excuses you've used to justify your little englander position, but in the here and now, we are most likely going to hand victory to a neo liberal government hell bent on pulling us out of the EU on the harshest terms possible, or do you still believe that the professional classes (with skills honed from the private sector) will pull off a blinder behind closed doors, while the rest of us stand outside anxiously waiting to see what colour the smoke will be that drifts across from Brussels.

I will never tire of reminding you Mr Pragmatic that we are about to depart from the most successful trading bloc in the world, with nothing more than a cake and eat it strategy.

You and your family might well have the wherewithal to weather this storm but many do not. The very fact that you state.....

If I was selfish, or a faux socialist, and only thought of what is best for my own investments and pensions over the short - medium term I would support Remaining

Shows you know that, and yet you still voted leave in the hope, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that there's a pot a gold somewhere at the end of this shambles for your daughter! The mind boggles! It's as if a bunch of neo liberal knownothings discovered a thick seam of stupid and sprinkled it with dreams of Empire 2.0, added a pinch of good old fashioned xenophobia and found a formula to pull of an enormous con job.

I hope you have a nice trust fund for your kid, she's going to need it and a search for any distant Irish relatives might be a good idea, an Irish passport might well be a gift that keeps on giving for what lies ahead.

 

[adrianr]

Another good appearance from Emily Thornberry on Andrew Marr. A politician capable of answering a question with a simple yes or no when required.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Another good appearance from Emily Thornberry on Andrew Marr. A politician capable of answering a question with a simple yes or no when required.

Except she think's all our troops are on salisbury plain and you need frigates to move them.
She's an idiot.

 

[Len Rum]

If I was selfish, or a faux socialist, and only thought of what is best for my own investments and pensions over the short - medium term I would support Remaining

Caught with them round your ankles a bit there mate.

 

[City Raider]

Personally, whilst being Labour all my life, I don't trust any of them. The whole thing is a farce. There aren't too many jobs around where being elected seems to mean you automatically acquire the skills needed to govern a country, particularly the financial ones. Christ, you need to go to assessment centres for loads of jobs these days.

This lack of knowledge means that politicians are totally at the behest of those they turn to advise them and they are incapable of challenging them. These are the people that really govern us and we are blind to them. It's also why politicians have had to develop the skill of never answering the question, they genuinely have no fucking clue.

 

[mcfc1632]

Caught with them round your ankles a bit there mate.

how so???

that is a version of something that I have said many times

I do not intend to put on a forum the details of my personal financial circumstances - but the fact that I can recognise that a decision to have Remained would, in my assessment, have been financially better for me in the short to medium term - and yet I still voted to Leave - surely only demonstrates that I have the capability to think long term and put the future of my country and my family ahead of my personal short-tem gain

 

[mcfc1632]

@ TPF

Another substance-free rant

I have the sense - and standards - to be clear when I am posting personal opinions - you just bang on as if you think that we should all consider you to be some type of an oracle.

"Don't kid yourself you voted for your daughters future, you gambled and your bluff carried the day but now the consequences kick in. Future generations will scarcely believe this folly." - Only in your opinion - not mine obviously - and guess what? I feel that my opinion is far more credible than yours - mainly because - in my opinion - it is derived from having been carefully thought through by someone capable of thinking outside their narrow prejudices

And the rest of your post is just a personal attack - I must get under your shallow skin.

Try making a real response - try some substance rather than ranting and deal with the question I put in my post:

".................why not try entering into a debate with me on the Labour 'policy' on Brexit? You could start by answering point 3 of my post on page 184 and I will take it from there - we will all be able to see just how much 'substance' you actually have"

Let the board see if hidden under the heavy cover of all your 'bluster', there is really the capability to think, reason and debate

Or, if you feel more comfortable - just hurl a few more insults

As for:

"I've no idea how old you are but it may require the older generation..........." If you had been paying attention in previous posts you would know that I am just a bit younger than you and have spent all my formative years in Eccles and Lower Broughton

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Talking about generations where the EU is concerned is jumping the gun a little. Many people believe the EU wont last another decade, what happens then?

 

[mcfc1632]

Talking about generations where the EU is concerned is jumping the gun a little. Many people believe the EU wont last another decade, what happens then?

You are not allowed to hold that view - let alone speak it.

Don't you know - cannot you not recognise and accept that the EU has always been and will continue to be a benevolent body that has provided endless benefits to the UK and never asked anything in return.

The last 40+ years have been a journey characterised by the extreme goodwill being shown to the UK by the EU, whilst we have behaved like a spoilt brat and never had the grace to show the gratitude that is clearly the EU's due.

 

[mat]

Tories along with a supportive media have turned this election into a presidential style race.

I wonder what BS manifesto promises will be lauded as 'visionary' next week in comparison to Labours 'fantasy' one next week?

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Tories along with a supportive media have turned this election into a presidential style race.

I wonder what BS manifesto promises will be lauded as 'visionary' next week in comparison to Labours 'fantasy' one next week?

I haven't seen any MSM lauding the Tories and denigrating the opposition. And the US style on stage debate is something that doesn't interest May and she is reticent to do it.

 

[urban genie]

I haven't seen any MSM lauding the Tories and denigrating the opposition. And the US style on stage debate is something that doesn't interest May and she is reticent to do it.

May has tried to focus the theme and made it an election about her v corbyn, not labour v tory, very presidential style.
The debate (or lack of one) is a minor thing that many countries do now, and may is scared of them as she's not good under scrutiny and pressure, she needs a comtroled enviromemt.

The MSM are scutinising labours pledges and where the money is coming from (which they have answered) while not questioning how the tories are gonna raisie money they are pledging, which dallon being a clown slipped up on today admitting this housing pledge is from existing money, so will be cut from somewhere else.