General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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I did type it in English

I posted some emerging news last night and you jumped in, as is your want, casting doubt on the veracity of what I said

Of course lots of reports since - including from your beloved Guardian - prove that I was spot on

Just assumed that you would have wanted to comment...?

Also, don't forget that question '3' that you were going to respond to so we can all judge your negotiating prowess
 
mcfc1632 said:
Anyway - some good news for the diehards - it will hopefully cause a pause in all their gratuitous deflecting that seems to have been their refuge tonight.

Polls showing some much needed positive news:

"British Prime Minister Theresa May's Conservative Party held a 20 point lead over the opposition Labour Party, down a couple of points since last week but still a "largely impregnable" advantage, pollster ICM said on Monday.

The Conservatives' share of voters fell a point to 48 percent, while Labour's increased a point to 28 percent, according to the poll commissioned by the Guardian newspaper."

So with just over 3 weeks to go improvement to being only 20 points behind

I am sure that the usual suspects on here can spin that to be clear signs of 'huge momentum' now being with Labour
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That's not good; She's going to be absolutely terrified. Especially if the next poll shows the Tory lead dramatically slashed to 19, pointing to a majority of well under 200 seats. ;-)
 
6 mates voting Tory back home and can't name one policy.

The people who have moaned about UK politics for the last 30 years and the style of leadership we have been ruled under, have the chance to change that. They aren't voting Labour because they feel Corbyn isn't the right person to run a country.

Instead we have more sheep who live in a controlled environment
 
Or it could just be that when actually faced with the prospect of having such a genuinely leftist government elected - the UK electorate will decide that it is simply not for them.

The latest voting intentions as summarised by Yougov are:

"For the first time in this election, YouGov reveals the voting intention picture in each British government office region. The fieldwork, conducted from April 24 to May 5, shows:

  • The Conservative vote share is up, sometimes dramatically so, since the last general election in every region of the UK.
  • Labour are down on their 2015 vote haul in every region of the UK except the South West and South East where they were already performing poorly.
  • The Liberal Democrat vote share is up in most regions, but only by small margins.
  • UKIP’s vote share is down seven to ten points in all regions except Scotland and London, where they were already performing poorly."
It's not just your 6 mates - an awful lot of people are simply not persuaded by the Labour offering.

After the Referendum result led to all sorts of accusations about the Leave voters being thick/gullible etc. what is going to happen this time.

perhaps the Hard Remainers and diehard Labour supporters should just look in the mirror for where the problems lie rather than blame others.
 
Should people not know what they're voting for though?
If they don't know any policies and have based their opinion on other people's opinions are they voting true? Surely people should vote what's best for them, not vote blindly?

Just confusing how people vote like this.
 
Understand your view entirely

There are apps online that you can go on and give your views on a range of issues and then you are matched to the party whose policies are the best fit - I really think that a good percentage of people would be matched different to their voting intentions.

It is a flaw in the nature of electorates and probably human nature, that people examine policy detail at insufficient levels - I am sure that you go into depth, so do I, but our votes do not count more than any of your mates.

Also though, people often vote against something and have intuitive views about what they do not want - which can be easier than assessing what they do want.

In this case, without them examining the detail of policies, I think that there is the Brexit factor where the recent polls show that people want to get it done and there is also the prospect - not seen for a long time - of a genuinely far left government and I am not sure that there is a big enough following to win the day.

Where I think that Labour have gotten it wrong and May has it right is with regard the Centre Left. Labour I think have alienated this group and left them vulnerable to May both due to Brexit and the way I strongly suspect her manifesto will show a shift to the centre.
 
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Ricster said:
6 mates voting Tory back home and can't name one policy.

The people who have moaned about UK politics for the last 30 years and the style of leadership we have been ruled under, have the chance to change that. They aren't voting Labour because they feel Corbyn isn't the right person to run a country.

Instead we have more sheep who live in a controlled environment
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Ah. More of the fake mates to put forth your theory of anyone not voting you way is a brain washed sheep.
 
Ricster said:
Should people not know what they're voting for though?
If they don't know any policies and have based their opinion on other people's opinions are they voting true? Surely people should vote what's best for them, not vote blindly?

Just confusing how people vote like this.
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They may be waiting for the Tory manifesto?
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
I think she came across quite well, even the old bloke accepted some of the realities of the situation.

The woman with learning disabilities even asked her for them to help them once she let her explain.

I'm simply not seeing this "May struggles when confronted" rhetoric that keeps being spouted.
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I think you missed her point. She now gets Personal Independence Payment instead of the Disability Living Allowance - and it's a lot lower. How could May not struggle? How can you defend a billion pound reduction in payments to people with disabilities? "We had to pay for tax cuts for the rich."

mcfc1632 said:
.... there is also the prospect - not seen for a long time - of a genuinely far left government and I am not sure that there is a big enough following to win the day.

Where I think that Labour have gotten it wrong and May has it right is with regard the Centre Left. Labour I think have alienated this group and left them vulnerable to May both due to Brexit and the way I strongly suspect her manifesto will show a shift to the centre.
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"Genuinely far left?" Give over.
 
I've just heard someone from the Institute of Fiscal Studies say increased Corporation Tax (as proposed by Labour) could reduce investment. Can someone explain? If a company spends profits on investing in the business, isn't that spending allowed as a relief against tax - so higher Corporation Tax would encourage using profits rather than retaining them and paying tax on them?
 
We pulled this earlier because of the amount of personal insults being thrown around. I know it's an emotive subject, but please keep it civil, otherwise you'll be thread banned. Cheers.
 
Vic said:
I've just heard someone from the Institute of Fiscal Studies say increased Corporation Tax (as proposed by Labour) could reduce investment. Can someone explain? If a company spends profits on investing in the business, isn't that spending allowed as a relief against tax - so higher Corporation Tax would encourage using profits rather than retaining them and paying tax on them?
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The missing bit is "UK".
Your case is ok for UK only based companies who are location dependent but for international companies they will move as much as they can out to reduce the tax burden.

The cumulative effects of the two, in one case reducing footprint in the UK and the other reducing profit by reinvesting both REDUCE tax revenues.
 
Ricster said:
Should people not know what they're voting for though?
If they don't know any policies and have based their opinion on other people's opinions are they voting true? Surely people should vote what's best for them, not vote blindly?

Just confusing how people vote like this.
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I'm never that impressed when the governing party produces a manifesto full of goodies. We should already know what they're planning to do.
 
cibaman said:
I'm never that impressed when the governing party produces a manifesto full of goodies. We should already know what they're planning to do.
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We do.
Any manifesto for this election is pie in the sky when it comes to budgeting as everything will depend on Brexit.
The conservative manifesto should be a one liner: "We will negotiate the best possible exit deal."
 
Ok. Pop quiz.

Who would defend vast disparity of wealth?

"The right of individual property and accumulation of wealth enables one man to engross for luxury what would suffice to make thousands happy." (Not from the Guardian)
 
Gelsons Dad said:
We do.
Any manifesto for this election is pie in the sky when it comes to budgeting as everything will depend on Brexit.
The conservative manifesto should be a one liner: "We will negotiate the best possible exit deal."
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It's pie in the sky without brexit I'm afraid. The increase in revenue from tax will be lower than they say and the cost of policies will be higher than they say. Borrowing will be much higher. Some may be fine with this but it would happen. Has any prediction on the ecomony, tax income or costing of infrastructure spending ever been accurate?

For those of us that have been around a while we know manifesto's can only be judged on general ideology and a direction in which a party wants the country to go. It hasn't been costed correctly because they never are.

We are no clearer on how they would tackle brexit but I think they are far more likely to give away more than the leavers would be willing to accept.

In effect nothing has changed for those who are unsure of which way to vote if they actually look behind the headlines.
 
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