General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%

  • Total voters
    656
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Corbyn would have us all holding hands naked and singing about Marx if he could. Fortunately he's learning from his party that he needs to get his lefty ideals slightly closer to the centre at the moment and that's admirable. He's sacrificing some of his ideals for the greater good of the country and that's endorsing his own left wing ideals if ever you heard it.

A high quality free education system and free healthcare system are essential. I believe we're at the stage where both could be eroded beyond repair if they're not fixed in the next government and I don't believe any party other than Labour will try to fix them.

So that's the way I'll vote.

Has it occurred to you that he still will if he gets elected? All we've seen from him is his preparedness to ditch his principles in order to con the electorate into voting for him. Nothing new there - all politicians do it. But a leapard does not change its spots and to imagine that Corbyn has had some massive change of heart on his more loony ideas, is pure fantasy. You only have see his reponse to questions like "You said you were in favour of nationalising the banks, are you still in favour, or have you changed your mind". He ducks the question. Not because he's changed his mind (or he would obviously say so), but because clearly that's what he still wants, but knows its a huge vote loser.

If Corbyn were to become PM, mark my words: We'd see a violent swing to the left, far, far greater than anything anyone is prepared for. Apart from Len Mccluskey and the like. By all means vote how you wish, but please do consider the risk.
 

You'd think he'd have learnt his lesson by now.

Free schooling
Free health care
Free child care
Free housing
Free sports cars
Free overseas holidays
Free money!


How will all this be paid for?

It's in our manifesto/I haven't got the exact figures
 
Free schooling
Free health care
Free child care
Free housing
Free sports cars
Free overseas holidays
Free money!


How will all this be paid for?

It's in our manifesto/I haven't got the exact figures

Here, all the in manifesto: http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/Images/manifesto-2017/Labour Manifesto 2017.pdf Read it, you can answer your own question.

By the way, bar the dot to dots and colouring sections, is there anything in the tory pamphlet that is costed?
 
Here, all the in manifesto: http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/Images/manifesto-2017/Labour Manifesto 2017.pdf Read it, you can answer your own question.

By the way, bar the dot to dots and colouring sections, is there anything in the tory pamphlet that is costed?

Shocking that the Tories have not provided a funding breakdown imho. That said, they are not promising 5 years of free visits to the sweetie shop are they. They promise to spend not much, which we might reasonably conclude will cost, not much.

Whereas Labour are promising to spend spend spend.

By the way, Ken - are you actually a Landlord? I hope to God for your sake, Labour don't get in.
 
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and he is indeed one of the better ones. Has even voted against the Anti terror laws
 
Here, all the in manifesto: http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/Images/manifesto-2017/Labour Manifesto 2017.pdf Read it, you can answer your own question.

By the way, bar the dot to dots and colouring sections, is there anything in the tory pamphlet that is costed?
I make a joke about Labour politicians not knowing directly how they will pay for the things they promise when asked and instead just tell people to 'read their manifesto', and your response...

...is to tell people to read their manifesto.

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Shocking that the Tory's have not provided a funding breakdown imho. That said, they are not promising 5 years of free visits to the sweetie shop are they. They promise to spend not much, which we might reasonably conclude will cost, not much.

Whereas Labour are promising to spend spend spend.

By the way, Ken - are you actually a Landlord? I hope to God for your sake, Labour don't get in.

To be fair they are not promising Free schooling, Free health care, Free child care, Free housing, Free sports cars, Free overseas holidays or Free money! but happy to help the poster shuffle along.

Am i balls Chippy, it is just off the Early Doors programme.
 
I make a joke about Labour politicians not knowing directly how they will pay for the things they promise when asked and instead just tell people to 'read their manifesto', and your response...

...is to tell people to read their manifesto.

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Yes really, because it will help you calm down and realise that unlike the tory pamphlet it is sorted. You are not on a radio show so you can take your time and i read and not come up with more bollocks.
Ah, the old it was joke when busted routine, nice one, not seen that for a while.
 
Yes really, because it will help you calm down and realise that unlike the tory pamphlet it is sorted. You are not on a radio show so you can take your time and i read and not come up with more bollocks.
Ah, the old it was joke when busted routine, nice one, not seen that for a while.
You're supposed to be convincing me about Labour's policies yet that response had a bit of a condescending tone. Maybe you have more time on your hands to read through the manifesto, but i'm not emotionally connected to the Labour party as you are so such an activity would bore me. So i'm asking you, a Labour supporter and apparent activist (could be wrong there) to give me the condensed version of how Labour plan to pay for all they promise because i'm sure as hell not getting that information from their campaigners or politicians.

And I don't think i've ever seen a "it was joke when busted" routine on here before. Not enough to comment on it's apparent re-emergence on the forum as a way to dismiss other people's viewpoints. This is how Labour supporters hope to win over the people? Hmm.

But anyhoo, can you give a condensed version of how exactly Labour plan to pay for all they promise?
 
Strong and stable and fully costed will be the two statements remembered as spin and nonsense after this election is long gone.
 
Morning folks. I think it is important you know
that in the small print of Jeremy Corbyn’s manifesto there are plans for a Garden Tax to raise billions for Labour’s reckless spending pledges.

Corbyn's Garden Tax will hit you and your family by:

Trebling your Council Tax bill.

Sending house prices plummeting and plunging mortgage holders into negative equity.

Forcing families to sell off back yards, paving over England’s greenery.

Also - Farmers warn huge new £6 billion Countryside Tax will send food prices soaring

Soaring bills for family homes: Under the Labour Land Campaign plan, this new town hall tax would be imposed as a 3% levy on the value of land. Analysis shows this would result in yearly tax bill of £3,837 for an average family home in England – a massive 224% increase on the current average council tax bill of £1,185. The tax would fall hardest on areas with higher land prices, including London, the South and thriving market towns.

Recipe for negative equity: Both the Labour Land Campaign and leading think tank, the IPPR, have warned that a Land Value Tax could lead to plummeting house prices and negative equity. The IPPR said a Land Value Tax could “push some heavily mortgaged homeowners over the edge”.

Corbyn’s Garden Tax: The IPPR has also branded a Land Value Tax a “tax on gardens”, which could force home owners to sell off their family gardens to lower their bills. They also warned town halls would be bribed into giving the green light for more development to get their hands on more cash, leading to a return to “garden grabbing” that was actively encouraged under John Prescott’s planning rules before 2010.

A separate study on Land Value Tax produced by Labour, LibDem and Green councillors on Oxfordshire County Council has noted that houses with gardens would be the biggest losers under land value taxation.

Labour have form. The last Labour Government was building a council tax revaluation database with intrusive data on people’s gardens – this was cancelled by Conservatives in 2010.

New Countryside Tax: Under the Labour Land Campaign plan, agricultural land which is currently exempt from council tax or business rates would also be hit – with devastating consequences for farmers and the cost of the family shop. This £6 billion new Countryside Tax “would simply increase the cost of UK food production with no benefit for shoppers”, the National Farmers Union have warned.

Backed by Coalition of Chaos: This dangerous cocktail of misery for families is endorsed by the Liberal Democrat and Green Party 2017 manifestos, and was backed by SNP party conference in March. This raise the prospect of it being a top priority for a Jeremy Corbyn-led coalition of chaos.

Only a vote for Theresa May and her local Conservative candidates will stop this terrible new town hall tax from becoming reality.


He is referring to this

LOCAL COMMUNITIES
Councils deliver vital local services to our communities, but their budgets have been slashed by Conservative cuts. This has led to a deterioration of local services, from bin collection to road repair, and the loss of important community assets such as libraries, youth centres and women’s refuges. Labour believes in devolving power to local communities but that requires the necessary funding follows. You cannot empower local government if you impoverish it. A Labour government will give local government extra funding next year. We will initiate a review into reforming council tax and business rates and consider new options such as a land value tax, to ensure local government has sustainable funding for the long term. Labour is the party of devolution and we believe in handing back power to communities. We will devolve powers over economic development, complete with the necessary funding.
He is stretching it a bit there to get garden tax from that sentence. Appreciate the reply.
 
You're supposed to be convincing me about Labour's policies yet that response had a bit of a condescending tone. Maybe you have more time on your hands to read through the manifesto, but i'm not emotionally connected to the Labour party as you are so such an activity would bore me. So i'm asking you, a Labour supporter and apparent activist (could be wrong there) to give me the condensed version of how Labour plan to pay for all they promise because i'm sure as hell not getting that information from their campaigners or politicians.

And I don't think i've ever seen a "it was joke when busted" routine on here before. Not enough to comment on it's apparent re-emergence on the forum as a way to dismiss other people's viewpoints. This is how Labour supporters hope to win over the people? Hmm.

But anyhoo, can you give a condensed version of how exactly Labour plan to pay for all they promise?

I'm not going off the manifesto here, but what I've seen and read these past few days in various news outlets. On the figures that Corbyn couldn't remember today, I think he said it will cost £5.6bn for 30 hours free childcare for 2-4 year olds over the term of the next parliament. This would allow mums to get back to work quicker which could be worth upwards of £30bn to the economy. With the increase in the minimum wage as well, this gives a great incentive for people to work without relying on tax and working tax credits to subsidise wages or pay for childcare. In fact these two things combined would effectively abolish tax credits for all but those who are in desperate need of it.

These are not facts and figures to be relied up on and I'm happy to be corrected but it is my understanding of this part of the manifesto.
 
I'm not going off the manifesto here, but what I've seen and read these past few days in various news outlets. On the figures that Corbyn couldn't remember today, I think he said it will cost £5.6bn for 30 hours free childcare for 2-4 year olds over the term of the next parliament. This would allow mums to get back to work quicker which could be worth upwards of £30bn to the economy. With the increase in the minimum wage as well, this gives a great incentive for people to work without relying on tax and working tax credits to subsidise wages or pay for childcare. In fact these two things combined would effectively abolish tax credits for all but those who are in desperate need of it.

These are not facts and figures to be relied up on and I'm happy to be corrected but it is my understanding of this part of the manifesto.
Has he or Labour themselves stated where this extra £5.6bn is to pay for the childcare?

Have they also explained how they plan to raise the minimum wage immediately or why it hasn't been done so already? Not having a go, genuinely curious becuase so far they haven't done well at explaining it aside from "getting the rich to pay it" or taxing businesses more.
 
Has he or Labour themselves stated where this extra £5.6bn is to pay for the childcare?

Have they also explained how they plan to raise the minimum wage immediately or why it hasn't been done so already? Not having a go, genuinely curious becuase so far they haven't done well at explaining it aside from "getting the rich to pay it" or taxing businesses more.

I might not be the Governor of the Bank of England or anything, but my guess would be a combination of taxes and borrowing.
 
Has he or Labour themselves stated where this extra £5.6bn is to pay for the childcare?

Have they also explained how they plan to raise the minimum wage immediately or why it hasn't been done so already? Not having a go, genuinely curious becuase so far they haven't done well at explaining it aside from "getting the rich to pay it" or taxing businesses more.

the EU contributions we wont be paying?

I'll get my coat.
 
I love the way the arguments against Labours plans ALWAYS come down to well how is it going to be paid for. We are the 5th richest country in the world. We can afford:

92 billion per annum I'm corporate benefits

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/07/corporate-welfare-a-93bn-handshake

We can afford an unusable nuclear arsenal which we don't have the red button for (but don't worry Donald trump has it in his desk)

We can afford countless pointless military interventions

We can afford to bail out banks that gambled with our money and lost

We can afford to give MPs an 11% pay rise as nurses take a cut

We can afford a highly expensive royal family some of which we pay and wouldn't know them if we passed them in the street

We can afford a 15 billion pounds new tube line across London because they're short of transport options

We can afford to pull out of the common market because no deal apparently is better than a bad deal

But

The prospect of investing in our young, investing in our health, investing in much needed infrastructure across all of Britain, bringing our public services out of the hands of carpet baggers, investing in arts, in sport in looking after our elderly, looking after our disabled, investing in housing stock so 30 year olds an live away from mum and dad ffs, investing in the technology of the future is an OUTRAGE.

We need to get a grip. We are being had. Only the blind can't see that
 
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