General Election June 8th

[Manc Born & Bred]

Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May on Question Time Leaders Debate Special tonight, but Theresa May refuses to be on at the same time as Jeremy Corbyn.

Embarrassingly weak "leader."

Not really - why would you want to share a platform with someone stuck in the 1970's, sympathizes with groups such as the IRA, threatens the country's security etc and besides she rips him to shreds at every PMQT. She will gain nothing by being on with him

 

[blueparrot]

she rips him to shreds at every PMQT. She will gain nothing by being on with him

Contradiction ?

 

[Len Rum]

Meanwhile in other news Mavis has shown herself again to be the Don's poodle by issuing a limp wristed criticism- she was 'disappointed' - of the USA's withdrawal from the Paris climate agreement.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Not really - why would you want to share a platform with someone stuck in the 1970's, sympathizes with groups such as the IRA, threatens the country's security etc and besides she rips him to shreds at every PMQT. She will gain nothing by being on with him

Haha that has to be a parody?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Depress the pound further and make exports less competitive, you say? When I studied economics I'd always understood a depreciation in the value of a currency might well lead to reduced imports, increased exports, improved balance of payments, more people staying and holidaying in that country and more overseas visitors appearing, because it's all got relatively cheaper. A good example would be, if we'd bought Silva last May and not this, he would have cost just under £38M not just over £43M.

Of course you're right. I was having a brain fart. I meant imports more expensive, hence the comment about pushing up inflation.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Meanwhile in other news Mavis has shown herself again to be the Don's poodle by issuing a limp wristed criticism- she was 'disappointed' - of the USA's withdrawal from the Paris climate agreement.

She's feeble as fuck.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

She's feeble as fuck.

I'd vote for baconface if he promised what the liberals are calling a hard Brexit.

 

[cibaman]

Brexit might very well not happen imo, were Corbyn to get in. He'd almost certainly need the support of the SDP and the LibDems in order to form a government, and what would there price be? Can you imagine either of those parties willingly pushing ahead with a hard Brexit agenda? No chance.

Labour are anyway committed to trying to get the Uk to remain part of the free market and customs union (a good thing, imo).

But I cannot see how that can be secured without our agreeing to free movement, supremacy of the ECJ and EU laws. This would provide sufficient fuel for those demanding a 2nd referendum and if there were to be one, my suspicion is the Brexit decision would be reversed.

Those demanding a 2nd referendum might not be demanding it if we remain in the single market and ECJ. The ones who would be demanding a 2nd referendum would be the ones who are currently insisting there shouldnt be a 2nd referendum.

It would be interesting to see what the 2nd referendum question(s) would be in those circumstances: 1) accept the soft brexit deal; 2) stay in the EU; 3) leave with no deal?

 

[cibaman]

But you can't have decent growth and cuts on the same scale that have taken place and are to come. Even the economically neo-liberal papers like The Economist and the FT are clear on this. Osborne had to backtrack halfway through the government's first term because his cuts were killing growth.

The right way to eliminate a deficit is via a judicious combination of increases in tax and cuts to spending. But you also have to invest initially to jump start the economy. You can't just cut, as Osborne found out. As growth increases, welfare spending should fall & the actual tax take should increase thereby reducing the deficit still further.

I'm politically neutral. I have no historical affiliation to any party. But Labour's approach here is unquestionably the right one in the circumstances in my opinion. The Conservative one will result in weak growth, further pressure on real wages, lack of productivity improvements and a tail-off in the consumer spending that has previously underpinned what growth we've had.

How can Labour's approach to corporate taxation possibly be right at the present time? We're about to leave the EU and single market so let's jack up corporation tax. What's that going to do to growth? Its insane.

 

[Chippy_boy]

How can Labour's approach to corporate taxation possibly be right at the present time? We're about to leave the EU and single market so let's jack up corporation tax. What's that going to do to growth? Its insane.

In a nutshell. As I say, whether raising CT is a good idea or not, what is beyond debate imo is that raising it now is a VERY bad idea indeed. The problem Labour have though is they cannot possibly make their numbers look even remotely plausible without their CT fantasy figure included. If people realise that's (a) bonkers and (b) unrealistic and not achievable then their entire strategy is in tatters.

This election seems to be about which party can manage to be the least shit. May with her disasterously inept campaign, or Labour with their disasterously inept policies. On balance, I'll take the shit campaign. That only lasts a few weeks, the shit policies we'd suffer from for years.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Those demanding a 2nd referendum might not be demanding it if we remain in the single market and ECJ. The ones who would be demanding a 2nd referendum would be the ones who are currently insisting there shouldnt be a 2nd referendum.

Bizarre, but quite possibly true. Can you *imagine* the stink if Corbyn agreed to free movement and no controls on immigration, and agreed to all EU laws and the ECJ ruling over us? I think he'd be lynched.

 

[inchy14]

Meanwhile in other news Mavis has shown herself again to be the Don's poodle by issuing a limp wristed criticism- she was 'disappointed' - of the USA's withdrawal from the Paris climate agreement.

She could be as arsey as she wants or to follow Jezza she could be very polite and offer him some fucking Yorkshire tea, however it'll have no effect as he'll do what he thinks is best for him and America. Whether we feel it's right or not, statements like Meekels and the rest of them are just fucking pointless.
I've just heard his decision should be condemned in the strongest way possible. Someone tell me what effect that'll have? None would be my guess.

 

[cibaman]

Bizarre, but quite possibly true. Can you *imagine* the stink if Corbyn agreed to free movement and no controls on immigration, and agreed to all EU laws and the ECJ ruling over us? I think he'd be lynched.

He'd also just create a bigger problem in the longer term. In 5 years he would be out, replaced by a Tory party that would be dead set on tearing up the agreement. Urged on by Leavers feeling, with some justification, that they'd been royally screwed over. Ultimately it would be a much harder and more acrimonious split.

 

[stonerblue]

Really?
I have never said that I hate the Labour party, I used to vote for them, yet all I see on here is 'Tory cunts'
'May is an evil fucking witch' and other vitriolic, vicious pejoratives, from people with the same political
views as yourself. All this hatred appears to come from one side, Corbyn is mocked as an ineffectual idealistic
buffoon, with the added disquiet attached to someone who supported a truly hateful organisation, but the bile is
generally spewed by his supporters.
As for miserablist, I'm never affected by depression or dark musings, it seems the only ones effing and blinding
and pulling their collective barnets out are your fellow lefties,

You took your time..

 

[Chippy_boy]

You took your time..

What he says is true though. You don't see much calling Corbyn a cnut or evil or any of the other shit that's thrown over from the left side of the fence at May. You don't see people on the right calling anyone on the left who votes labour, "a disgrace".

Why all the vitriol from the lefties? Is it years of pent up frustration in opposition, I wonder? Since half of them regard Tony Blair and Gordon Brown as Tories, I suppose some of them have been waiting for 40 years for a Corbyn.

 

[Tanzeylee]

What he says is true though. You don't see much calling Corbyn a cnut or evil or any of the other shit that's thrown over from the left side of the fence at May. You don't see people on the right calling anyone on the left who votes labour, "a disgrace".

Why all the vitriol from the lefties? Is it years of pent up frustration in opposition, I wonder? Since half of them regard Tony Blair and Gordon Brown as Tories, I suppose some of them have been waiting for 40 years for a Corbyn.

Kinder politics

 

[Gelsons Dad]

She could be as arsey as she wants or to follow Jezza she could be very polite and offer him some fucking Yorkshire tea, however it'll have no effect as he'll do what he thinks is best for him and America. Whether we feel it's right or not, statements like Meekels and the rest of them are just fucking pointless.
I've just heard his decision should be condemned in the strongest way possible. Someone tell me what effect that'll have? None would be my guess.

Virtue signalling.

 

[The perfect fumble]

It's Only Rock 'n Roll...

 

[Machiavelli]

What he says is true though. You don't see much calling Corbyn a cnut or evil or any of the other shit that's thrown over from the left side of the fence at May. You don't see people on the right calling anyone on the left who votes labour, "a disgrace".

Why all the vitriol from the lefties? Is it years of pent up frustration in opposition, I wonder? Since half of them regard Tony Blair and Gordon Brown as Tories, I suppose some of them have been waiting for 40 years for a Corbyn.

As an undecided, I have seen the most negative comments aimed at the PM for her election behaviour which has been totally gutless, the slagging Corbyn gets stems seemingly from his past and what he stands individually.

 

[cibaman]

Ipsos mori now has it 45%C 40%L.

The striking thing is just how big those numbers are for both parties. It was 37%/30% last time and 36%/29% in 2010. The other parties, apart from the SNP, have fallen off of a cliff.

If it stays like that it will be fascinating to see how those extra votes translate into seats.