General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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BlueHammer85 said:
Can it be argued because of the Labour government and its disastrous economic policy's is the reason there are 20,000 less police ?
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Or perhaps because the Tory government, in the midst of all this austerity, has still found the funds to pass on £2bn in tax cuts to the richest.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Can it be argued because of the Labour government and its disastrous economic policy's is the reason there are 20,000 less police ?
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Like it can also be argued that a fair tax template would've allowed us not to lose 20k police officers in cuts.

Who benefited from the cuts? Was it the rich in their secure houses, security gates with cctv, panic alarms etc. Or maybe it was your working man who lives in an area with less security but a considerably higher crime rate?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Can it be argued because of the Labour government and its disastrous economic policy's is the reason there are 20,000 less police ?
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Not really. Like cutting funding to the NHS and education, it's a political choice. Probably made easier when you have private health insurance and your kids are privately educated. "We're all in this together" one of the most hilarious politicaL slogans of all time....
 
KenTheLandlord said:
Any chance you can reveal to us then, the sliding scale of tory atrocity?

Only the three so far Theresa, ah fuck em, wait until it reaches ten.
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I'd be interested to know how you think Corbyn voting against every piece of anti terror legislation for the last 30 years would have kept us safe?
 
Finding that the extreme left are more vicious and condensing than the right. Please god the country see sense this week. Putting Corbyn and abbot in charge would be the equivalent of us sacking pep and putting Ian dowie in charge.
 
Well that settles one issue. Cressida Dick says she'd want more resources and more community policing. And that's just after saying she didn't want to get political just before the election.

I don't know what Chippy will read between those lines but we all know why she has less resources and less community policing than seven years ago.

As for May's considering longer sentences - that's just giving longer for radicalisation in prison and how would the threat of prison deter people willing to die? (I won't get into the benefit of longer prison sentences if there's a shoot to kill policy.)
 
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Vic said:
Well that settles one issue. Cressida Dick says she'd want more resources and more community policing. And that's just after saying she didn't want to get political just before the election.

I don't know what Chippy will read between those lines but we all know why she has less resources and less community policing than seven years ago.

As for May's considering longer sentences - that's just giving longer for radicalisation in prison and how would the threat of prison deter people willing to die? (I won't get into the benefit of longer prison sentences if there's a shoot to kill policy.)
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I did wonder about the wisdom of longer sentences considering we are told radicalisation is rife within the prison system........ Prison officer numbers have been cut by the former Home Sec too
 
Vic said:
Well that settles one issue. Cressida Dick says she'd want more resources and more community policing. And that's just after saying she didn't want to get political just before the election.

I don't know what Chippy will read between those lines but we all know why she has less resources and less community policing than seven years ago.

As for May's considering longer sentences - that's just giving longer for radicalisation in prison and how would the threat of prison deter people willing to die? (I won't get into the benefit of longer prison sentences if there's a shoot to kill policy.)
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To be fair she actually said 'she and any other senior officer would always want more resources' and she's correct.
I agree we need more resources throwing at this issue but I also fail to see what more bobbies on the beat could do. We need intel from inside mosques and out of the local community. No easy answers for this but they should be given all the means necessary to combat it.
Personally I'd put troops back on the streets at key places, parliament, major train stations and airports. Free the police up to combat the extremist element of society. As I said yesterday though we have to be careful how far we go regarding our freedoms though.
For everyone's ideas on here I'm glad I'm not the one with the problem of solving it.
 
inchy14 said:
To be fair she actually said 'she and any other senior officer would always want more resources' and she's correct.
I agree we need more resources throwing at this issue but I also fail to see what more bobbies on the beat could do. We need intel from inside mosques and out of the local community. No easy answers for this but they should be given all the means necessary to combat it.
Personally I'd put troops back on the streets at key places, parliament, major train stations and airports. Free the police up to combat the extremist element of society. As I said yesterday though we have to be careful how far we go regarding our freedoms though.
For everyone's ideas on here I'm glad I'm not the one with the problem of solving it.
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I wouldnt object to another 20000 police officers. But if we had them I think most of them would have been deployed answering burglary calls and the other "minor" crimes at the margin that are no longer being dealt with. Or dealing with public disorder by the mainly white communities in city centres. Not many would have been engaged on community policing with a brief to pick up early signs of radicalisation. Even if many of the 20,000 had been used in that way, they'd have been spread too thinly to keep us safe from terrorism.
 
Ricster said:
I actually think theyre going to lose the election. Another MP thrown to the wolves by May.

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Its difficult to see how Labour can win enough seats off of the tories for the tories to lose the election. Most marginal tory seats had a significant UKIP vote in 2015 that should act as a buffer for them. Labour certainly havent targeted UKIP voters. Labour seem to have been targeting its own safe seats rather than tory marginals eg they've been chasing the student vote, most of whom live in safe labour seats. Their campaigning seems to have been focused on safe labour seats. The polls are predicting that the tories will increase their share of the vote, albeit by less than labour. But increased vote share doesnt usually lead to lost seats. And the tories are predicted to pick up a few seats in Scotland.

I expect Labour will significantly increase its share of the vote, significantly increase its majorities in the seats it holds, but not win many new seats.
 
cibaman said:
Its difficult to see how Labour can win enough seats off of the tories for the tories to lose the election. Most marginal tory seats had a significant UKIP vote in 2015 that should act as a buffer for them. Labour certainly havent targeted UKIP voters. Labour seem to have been targeting its own safe seats rather than tory marginals eg they've been chasing the student vote, most of whom live in safe labour seats. Their campaigning seems to have been focused on safe labour seats. The polls are predicting that the tories will increase their share of the vote, albeit by less than labour. But increased vote share doesnt usually lead to lost seats. And the tories are predicted to pick up a few seats in Scotland.

I expect Labour will significantly increase its share of the vote, significantly increase its majorities in the seats it holds, but not win many new seats.
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I think that could be a very accurate assessment.
 
1.618034 said:
Congratulations.

But I was replying to this...



Do keep up.


It's a bit desperate telling everyone how big the lead "used to be".

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Fail.

I said there was a big Labour lead on this thread. There was.

I said the Tories had a huge lead when the election was called. They did.

So stop being stupid and arguing with facts, or go and find an empty room to argue in.
 
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