General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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BlueRon7 said:
LOL yeah I voted on Brexit, but can't say I'm going to the polling station this time with the same vigour or enthusiasm that it matters much this time.. not as exciting as telling Brussels to Suck It !

That's why I'm voting UKIP.. not going to change the result much, but support for UKIP will keep the pressure on whoever is in charge to deliver Brexit the people voted for.
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I would have probably joined you in voting UKIP if Nigel was still leading the party.
 
BlueRon7 said:
The worst deal would be for us to remain in the EU in all but name.. (no control of our borders, justice system, fishing waters etc why people voted Brexit basically) with no place at the top table of the EU like we do now to influence decisions.

And I fear with Jezza Corbyn that would be a real possibility.. as he seems desperate for a deal at ANY cost. Once the other side know that, they can name their price and Corbyn will pay it ! it's like selling something you know the other person desperately wants you'll make sure you shaft them !

And I'm not convinced Labour's figures add up.. they said their manifesto is "fully costed" but I don't think they'll raise all the money they are hoping to from taxes.
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No the worst deal would be no deal where we abide by WTO rules.

I've changed my mind on this over the last few months as I've read more and more. Ensuring the City has tariff free access to the EU markets should be priority number 1. No matter what that costs, we have to safeguard this.

People are talking about game theory and nationalist pride about "getting one over on the EU", but this is irrelevant. If we lose the City we're immensely fucked as a major trading nation. Walking away with no deal would be an almost treasonous act that will sink our economy 100 times more than nationalizing some industries
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
The sad thing is, this election should really have nothing to do with Brexit at all. It's either five years of austerity and cuts to public services or not quite as much austerity and not quite so many cuts to public services. It's some people paying more tax or it isn't. Any Brexit deal will be decided by business and 27 other countries. In essence, we will get the deal that Germany and France are prepared to give us, whoever is in charge. The only thing that is certain, is that there is no deal worse than 'no deal'!
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For me it should be first and foremost about Brexit

If we do not get that right then any election promises/policies are essentially meaningless as they could not be afforded.

We will effectively not leave if Labour get in - so whilst that make Remain voters happy it will be years of paralysis - at least the Conservatives will progress the process and get it done - either way
 
Ordinarily, I'm a hugely positive person, and I've engaged with politics since before I could vote, but it was with a heavy heart that I just cast my vote for the Lib Dems.

This is partly because of the political system which we operate in this country means my vote, in a constituency where 75% of the vote at the last election was for Labour, was a wasted one. However, my disposition is mainly because of the state of British politics today. The standard of politician, compared to a generation ago, on all sides, is truly shocking. I put this principally down to the proliferation of career politicians in the last generation or so.

Even though I'm slightly right of centre on certain issues, due to their lack of social liberalism I don't think I could ever vote Tory, but I did have a wobble around a week ago and have been vacillating between Labour and the Lib Dems in the last few days, but in the final analysis I couldn't bring myself to vote for a party who I believe would, in all likelihood, bring economic turmoil upon this country, even though I agree with some of their more significant policies, such as on renationalisation of certain industries.

I believe that as well as being a threat to our future prosperity, Brexit also represents a huge opportunity, but one I fear that our political classes are pitifully ill-equipped to tackle. I expect the outcome will be between 80 to 100 seat majority for the Tories (down from my predictions of a fortnight ago) and we'll be left with a dishonest, spineless **** to map out this country's progress for the next half a century or so, assuming she clings on - and if she doesn't, fuck knows who or what will replace her, another manifest shortcoming in our political system.

All very depressing.
 
I arrived at the poliing station intent on voting for "none of the above". Had a slight change of heart at the last minute and voted for the Women's Equality Party.
 
I was going to vote Conservative but pretty sure I won't now as I think they've had a poor campaign. Trouble is, there's not a cat in hell's chance that I'm voting for the Corbyn-Abbott double act which means for the second election in a row I'm going to be a fence-sitting liberal. This despite me being totally against the Lib Dem's promise of a second EU referendum.
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
Ordinarily, I'm a hugely positive person, and I've engaged with politics since before I could vote, but it was with a heavy heart that I just cast my vote for the Lib Dems.

This is partly because of the political system which we operate in this country means my vote, in a constituency where 75% of the vote at the last election was for Labour, was a wasted one. However, my disposition is mainly because of the state of British politics today. The standard of politician, compared to a generation ago, on all sides, is truly shocking. I put this principally down to the proliferation of career politicians in the last generation or so.

Even though I'm slightly right of centre on certain issues, due to their lack of social liberalism I don't think I could ever vote Tory, but I did have a wobble around a week ago and have been vacillating between Labour and the Lib Dems in the last few days, but in the final analysis I couldn't bring myself to vote for a party who I believe would, in all likelihood, bring economic turmoil upon this country, even though I agree with some of their more significant policies, such as on renationalisation of certain industries.

I believe that as well as being a threat to our future prosperity, Brexit also represents a huge opportunity, but one I fear that our political classes are pitifully ill-equipped to tackle. I expect the outcome will be between 80 to 100 seat majority for the Tories (down from my predictions of a fortnight ago) and we'll be left with a dishonest, spineless **** to map out this country's progress for the next half a century or so, assuming she clings on - and if she doesn't, fuck knows who or what will replace her, another manifest shortcoming in our political system.

All very depressing.
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Great post and one I pretty much wholeheartedly concur with. Add me to the Lib-Dem list.
 
M18CTID said:
I was going to vote Conservative but pretty sure I won't now as I think they've had a poor campaign. Trouble is, there's not a cat in hell's chance that I'm voting for the Corbyn-Abbott double act which means for the second election in a row I'm going to be a fence-sitting liberal. This despite me being totally against the Lib Dem's promise of a second EU referendum.
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Abbott? You should keep up man. Shrs gone
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
nal analysis I couldn't bring myself to vote for a party who I believe would, in all likelihood, bring economic turmoil upon this country, even though I agree with some of their more significant policies, such as on renationalisation of certain industries.
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But they're not though. You and everybody else have fell into the logical trap that politics places on people.

Labour are not going to "wreck the economy".

The Tories aren't going to "starve the poor".

This is PR nonsense that has no bearing on reality. It presumes that neither party has any rational actors in it and instead are a caricature of themselves. A vastly over simplified description able to be shortened into a useful soundbite.

I voted Labour because I believe in more of Labour policies than Tory and as a member, I want us to have a strong opposition for the next leader.

But if the Tories get in then that's fine. They are a bunch of generally rational people who want to do what they think is best for the country. We're not going to be back to the days of workhouse and Oliver Twist.

The point is that these are stereotypes about political parties reinforced by the gutter press and they never come true. Labour never sinks the economy. The Tories never kill off the poor. It's a complete myth akin to transfer hype where a new player is never as good or bad as people expected.

These stereotypes are part of the irrationality of politics and they're both unhelpful and really quite irritating. The end is never nigh. People lie to you in order to create emotion and make you do what they want.
 
Damocles said:
But they're not though. You and everybody else have fell into the logical trap that politics places on people.

Labour are not going to "wreck the economy".

The Tories aren't going to "starve the poor".

This is PR nonsense that has no bearing on reality. It presumes that neither party has any rational actors in it and instead are a caricature of themselves. A vastly over simplified description able to be shortened into a useful soundbite.

I voted Labour because I believe in more of Labour policies than Tory and as a member, I want us to have a strong opposition for the next leader.

But if the Tories get in then that's fine. They are a bunch of generally rational people who want to do what they think is best for the country. We're not going to be back to the days of workhouse and Oliver Twist.

The point is that these are stereotypes about political parties reinforced by the gutter press and they never come true. Labour never sinks the economy. The Tories never kill off the poor. It's a complete myth akin to transfer hype where a new player is never as good or bad as people expected.

These stereotypes are part of the irrationality of politics and they're both unhelpful and really quite irritating. The end is never nigh. People lie to you in order to create emotion and make you do what they want.
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Er...four thousand deaths of people having their benefits stopped after being declared fit to work is what could be described as a "kill off" don't you think?
 
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