Post Match Thread: Election 2017

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Apparently Davis is now under a cloud. The early election was mainly his idea and he was a prominent member of May's inner circle during the campaign.

i think davis would be the best option though. he seems quite good at speaking and getting his point across. boris is too much of a risk imo.

 

[Blue Llama]

Gave the banks free reign, saw quantitive easing hit never seen before heights, oversaw a huge property bubble and let regulation go to shit.

I think you might find that some if not all of those were down to Ed making a Balls of it and I don't see how this short list is relevant to how left or right Blair was. Before anyone tells me I love the guy I agree with the poster who said he was a cnut albeit a shady thick one at that.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Keep reading the word coalition on here. Has that actually been mentioned, or is it a supply and confidence government? If it is a coalition, will there be DUP cabinet members?

As far as I can guess they will pass the Queens Speech, and just want to be informed on the fundamentals of the Brexit Negotiations. They will only vote against the government on red-line issues (so the Tories can forget social care provision and pensioner heating allowance changes).

 

[worsleyweb]

You have no understanding of what's going on. The Labour party has to stand for social justice, if it ends up just being a kinder version of Toryism it fails itself but more importantly the people it's supposed to represent.

The party is re-invigorated and more purposeful than it has been for a long time and this election has shown that more and more people get it.

Just not enough to win an election.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Just not enough to win an election.

not yet but the tide turned yesterday

 

[Chippy_boy]

Just not enough to win an election.

But so long as it's "going in the right direction" for another 20 years, that's to be applauded, apparently.

 

[worsleyweb]

not yet but the tide turned yesterday

Did it heck - despite a load of an affordable givesaways and a frenzied rush by junior voters labour lost. The torys will now govern for the next 4 years.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

not yet but the tide turned yesterday

worst election campaign maybe ever, biggest turnout in 20 years for labour and yet they still didn't come close to winning. its very hard to see how labour can win an election or get a majority, unless it moves to the centre.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Another election and get it sorted properly

At this rate we'll have an election every couple of months.

 

[CitizenTID]

What a bunch of shady fuckers
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/w...e-dup-dark-money-and-a-saudi-prince-1.3083586

Wow. Any route of foreign donation to UK political parties should be highly illegal.

 

[urban genie]

Quite the opposite
They insist in borders as they are now.

Not the guy last night (bout 3:30 ish) said that an open Irish border was a danger to Ulster from EU citizens coming in.
Maybe it was just his opinion though and not party line.

 

[Chippy_boy]

worst election campaign maybe ever, biggest turnout in 20 years for labour and yet they still didn't come close to winning. its very hard to see how labour can win an election or get a majority, unless it moves to the centre.

This.

The electorate has been moving to the right for 40 years, to the point that the majority are essentially somewhere between Blair and Cameron, in terms of ideology. For a hard-left party to win, it needs the majority to be brought back to a left-centric position that they haven't had in decades. I don't think this is impossible, but I don't think it can be done quickly, or even over the course of a parliament or two. It would take a decade or more I think for the voting demographic to change sufficiently for Labour to win on their current ticket.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Heard that the DUP want the triple lock on pensions as well, interesting times ahead, DUP may let them get in with Brexit but may well scupper some home policies

 

[che_don_john]

i think davis would be the best option though. he seems quite good at speaking and getting his point across. boris is too much of a risk imo.

I agree. I really like the guy and felt that he was about the only reasonable and informed voice on the Brexit side leading up to the referendum. I don't share his politics but I recognise that he is rational and articulate, and is neither egocentric nor boring. Basically, the Tories' antithesis to Theresa May. He would be their best option for leader so I hope it doesn't happen. I recall he lost out to Cameron in a leadership election 10 years ago or so, so might fancy another crack at it.

 

[Blue Llama]

This.

The electorate has been moving to the right for 40 years, to the point that the majority are essentially somewhere between Blair and Cameron, in terms of ideology. For a hard-left party to win, it needs the majority to be brought back to a left-centric position that they haven't had in decades. I don't think this is impossible, but I don't think it can be done quickly, or even over the course of a parliament or two. It would take a decade or more I think for the voting demographic to change sufficiently for Labour to win on their current ticket.

Would agree entirely that it would take years. The irony for me is that Corbyn supposedly was a remainer but the economic decline that will be seen post Brexit could very well end up being good news for Labour as thousands see jobs and living standards head south.

 

[CitizenTID]

Genuinely don't understand how anyone voted for Tory. Everything they've lied about the opposition doing, they are now doing. Everything they promise, they either fail or u-turn on.

Zero principles, full of lies.

 

[law74]

It must be my weird sense of humour but I am finding the whole situation hilarious (but in a very dangerous way).
May calls an election to gain a massive majority, is too conceited to meet the public or even debate on TV.
Labour were supposed to implode, but instead galvanised its support and made large gains in many areas.
Scottish Labour advised their supporters in places to vote tory, splitting the left vote and gaining seats for the Tories that will allow them to form a minority government.
And then we have Northern Ireland, & what a total cluster that is.
SF collapse the assembly.
Assembly elections return more of the same.
SF & DUP can't agree to form the assembly.
Despite (or because) of this, at the Westminster elections they get every seat (apart from one independent).
About ram the shinners must have been ecstatic, their hardline over Stormont vindicated by the electorate, either there terms or direct rule.
But by 6am, their arch enemies appear to be going into a coalition government.
WTF is going on?
Politics is sure better than any fictional soap opera

 

[CitizenTID]

I'll tell you who won this election.

Our foxes.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Not the guy last night (bout 3:30 ish) said that an open Irish border was a danger to Ulster from EU citizens coming in.
Maybe it was just his opinion though and not party line.

Definitely not the party line.
They are rather unsavoury to my taste but they are Pro-brexit, soft irish border. And as it won't be a coalition they only need to vote to pass the queens speech and their job is essentially done.

 

[Blue Llama]

Genuinely don't understand how anyone voted for Tory. Everything they've lied about the opposition doing, they are now doing. Everything they promise, they either fail or u-turn on.

Zero principles, full of lies.

Probably because Corbyn and the Labour party sounded like they were telling turkeys how good Christmas was going to be with all the presents, eating, drinking and generally having a fabulous time. But when the turkeys asked how all of this would be paid for there was no explanation.