Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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worsleyweb said:
In 1999 the public sector spend was 38.8 percent of GDV - it was 50 percent by the end of the labour government - the highest percentage since the 1980s. Do you think there was no link to our defecit.

This information is the opening chapter of the institute for fiscal studies analysis of the public sector in 2010. Please tell me again - how am I chatting shit as you state??

Toff? I was born to a single mum in a council house in burnage lane?

Your point about chlamydia is just nonsense - and no I have never had it.

Other than that - great post.
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You would change your tune if you contracted it BP x
 
Damien10 said:
And don't get me started on the NHS fund argument. Stop foreign nationals using it when they are not entitled to it, essentially stop providing health care to all of Europe for free.
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All of Europe already has free healthcare, for the record
 
worsleyweb said:
In 1999 the public sector spend was 38.8 percent of GDV - it was 50 percent by the end of the labour government - the highest percentage since the 1980s. Do you think there was no link to our defecit? Was it a good idea to increase a defecit during a period of economic growth?

This information is the opening chapter of the institute for fiscal studies analysis of the public sector in 2010. Please tell me again - how am I chatting shit as you state??

Toff? I was born to a single mum in a council house on burnage lane?

Your point about chlamydia is just nonsense - and no I have never had it.

Other than that - great post.
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Labour built and staffed much needed new hospitals,was that wrong?
 
Damocles said:
To give you an idea, if we gave the UK Space Agency 70bn we would be on Mars in about ten years. It's a "let's have our own Space Agency" type of big.
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If the shit hit the fan, would you want your own water supply or a colony on Mars, with no water? We need a few things to live: food, water, shelter. We need to control them before anything else IMO! Also probably our energy supplies. Without them we are fucked & we shouldn't entrust them outside the country if possible.
 
Real socialism/communism is when there is collective ownership of the means of production. In other words the workers manage and own the factory and machines within it. This happened in the initial stages after the October Revolution of 1917.

Under Stalin the USSR moved from this system to a system where a bureaucratic elite manged and controlled industry. The means of production were thus owned by the state. This is state capitalism. Stalin was therefore not left wing. In fact his influence during the Spanish Civil War was distinctly reactionary. ie not revolutionary.

While post war Britain was a mixed economy. ie Capitalism and State Capitalism. Obviously Attlee and Wilson and Corbyn are far more left wing than Thatcher, Cameron et al, but it would be wrong to categorize them as extreme left. After all they are involved in the parliamentary system, something that the far left see as being way to connected to the capitalist system.

I am sure that Corbyn has read Marx and understands that capitalism is inherently exploitative and unstable but he is a democratic socialist rather than a socialist revolutionary who ultimately see no need for the state.
 
Juan King said:
If the shit hit the fan, would you want your own water supply or a colony on Mars, with no water? We need a few things to live: food, water, shelter. We need to control them before anything else IMO!
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The water isn't going to go away, it's just operated by a company. They can't just bottle up a lake and send it to Iran or something!

Again, the arguments in favour of this as philosophical and the counter ones economical. I can't get behind purely philosophical arguments, there has to be a social or economic benefit for me to think it's worthwhile
 
karen7 said:
Labour built and staffed much needed new hospitals,was that wrong?
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No - but the waste through phi was scandalous. I worked on many hospitals and the waste I witnessed was frighteningly There was huge waste in the public sector and thousands of unnesaacry positions created.

The tories have not cut savagely as people would have you believe - they have managed a bloated public sector. They have actually increased spending year on year across most sectors but at as lower pace than previous. They are brining the public sector back to where it was prior to the grodon brown years as a percentage of GDV. know no one will agree with me but they have done a fabulous job since 2010.

Not looking to be controversial and I know you won't agree and most in here with me but that is my honest opinion. They get criticised for not reducing the defecit fast enough and get cristised for marking cuts. Seems like cake and eat it to me. Of dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.
 
worsleyweb said:
No - but the waste through phi was scandalous. I worked on many hospitals and the waste I witnessed was frighteningly There was huge waste in the public sector and thousands of unnesaacry positions created.
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But PFI were ran by private companies?
 
karen7 said:
Answer the question instead of wumming
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I'm not a wum. It's facts. If you need to fund something you don't borrow more. You make cuts, it's simple money management. Labours history with money management has been diabolical.
 
Juan King said:
If the shit hit the fan, would you want your own water supply or a colony on Mars, with no water? We need a few things to live: food, water, shelter. We need to control them before anything else IMO! Also probably our energy supplies. Without them we are fucked & we shouldn't entrust them outside the country if possible.
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The horse bolted on that a while ago mate.
 
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