Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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Damocles said:
Well that's because the left and right see the same problem differently.

I don't believe cuts lead to a better balance sheet.

I believe that the best way out of debt is to invest in education, infrastructure and social mobility of the working classes. You spend money to make it. As mentioned earlier, black people per head have larger crime rates, larger unemployment, lower incomes and less education. Now is there something genetically wrong with black people to cause This? Of course not. They have they problems because they are disproportionately represented in poor areas.

Poor areas lack good community policing so that leads to less investment from people in their community but also less social respect from youths there. Poor areas lack good schools. This leads to poorly educated people forced into a wage race to the bottom, with little chance of advancement into the professional classes. It leads to poorly educated parents too. Poor areas often lack good access to frontline services. This means that the drug and alcohol problems that are prevalent are not addressed which leads to even more social chaos.

What we want is for every single area to have great schools, great hospitals and great services. We want this because then there's more people starting businesses, more people earning great wages and ultimately more tax revenues coming in.

The left doesn't look purely as a here and now issue. We see that the best way to stimulate an economy is to create new and responsible taxpayers who earn good money rather than to cut the expenditure which helps their communities overcome the cycles that poverty creates.
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Didn't work in Greece did it? Sounds like utopia but I am sorry Damocles real life is not that simple in my opinion.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
Incredible. If the Tories had paired with Sien Fein there would have been a riot but paired with DUP that is OK. People obviously do not realise the alleged links they have had with protestant paramilitaries.
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There isn't a party who are represented in parliament whose views are further from my own than the DUP- and that will go for quite a few liberal Tories too.

I cannot see this ending remotely well.
 
Damien10 said:
Mods? Why...

You lefties really don't like democracy or freedom of speech do you. It's a fact are facts illegal here on bluemoon?

Let me repeat it. Theresa May got more votes then any other previous prime minister.
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Because your posts are purposely provocative and as shown last night, all those posts do is derail the thread from people trying to have an actual conversation.

You can choose to join this in a calm and rational way without this concern trolling or you can choose to not post in the thread.
 
Damocles said:
Because your posts are purposely provocative and as shown last night, all those posts do is derail the thread from people trying to have an actual conversation.

You can choose to join this in a calm and rational way without this concern trolling or you can choose to not post in the thread.
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I wasn't even here last night.
 
Bigga said:
Do you mean 11000 margin 'loon' Diane Abbott?

Yeah, I think she has.
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Don't give a fuck what her majority was. I've seen enough of her to wonder at the fucking eedjits that would vote for her.
 
malg said:
Don't give a fuck what her majority was. I've seen enough of her to wonder at the fucking eedjits that would vote for her.
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In her constituency you could have put anyone in as labour candidate and they would have won.
 
worsleyweb said:
Didn't work in Greece did it? Sounds like utopia but I am sorry Damocles real life is not that simple in my opinion.
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It's worked in this country, and most others.

Good example - look at what the introduction of nationalised education did. Cost a little but now every kid can read, write and do sums so the type of jobs they can do are higher value.

Same with the NHS. Healthier communities make and spend more money than unhealthy ones.

There's also another issue coming soon in automation that's going to screw our kids over and we need to have a social safety net attached for this. In fact tgis is a bigger issue than climate change in how desperate it is, a bigger issue than terrorism in how fucked we are and a bigger issue than the NHS in how unprepared we are.

In the next 25 years, 30% of current jobs are no longer going to exist. Think how fun that will be for our economy when a large amount of the professional classes (it will affect computer users before tradesmen) are now out of the tax revenues. Tgis is akready happening now and nobody else is talking about it loudly ebough.
 
You see my frustration here isn't actually at the Labour party or it's leader. My frustration is yet again people are crying about a democratic result. As they did with Brexit, and no i didn't vote Brexit but now i fully support it because that is what the nation voted also seeing the actions of many EU leaders made me passionate about it being sucessful . I want nothing more then Britain to be successful no matter who is in power and i will always accept the result.
 
worsleyweb said:
In her constituency you could have put anyone in as labour candidate and they would have won.
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Same could be said for Conservate seats, SNP seats etc. Shite state of affairs.
 
Damocles said:
Well that's because the left and right see the same problem differently.

I don't believe cuts lead to a better balance sheet.

I believe that the best way out of debt is to invest in education, infrastructure and social mobility of the working classes. You spend money to make it. As mentioned earlier, black people per head have larger crime rates, larger unemployment, lower incomes and less education. Now is there something genetically wrong with black people to cause This? Of course not. They have they problems because they are disproportionately represented in poor areas.

Poor areas lack good community policing so that leads to less investment from people in their community but also less social respect from youths there. Poor areas lack good schools. This leads to poorly educated people forced into a wage race to the bottom, with little chance of advancement into the professional classes. It leads to poorly educated parents too. Poor areas often lack good access to frontline services. This means that the drug and alcohol problems that are prevalent are not addressed which leads to even more social chaos.

What we want is for every single area to have great schools, great hospitals and great services. We want this because then there's more people starting businesses, more people earning great wages and ultimately more tax revenues coming in.

The left doesn't look purely as a here and now issue. We see that the best way to stimulate an economy is to create new and responsible taxpayers who earn good money rather than to cut the expenditure which helps their communities overcome the cycles that poverty creates.
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I wonder if we are heading for revolutionary step changes ahead of us.
Looks like the youth have finally realised they can have a say in setting the direction of travel.
If the old guard continue to restrain change then it could trigger an outpouring of anger born of frustration.

Not saying it will necessarily manifest itself in street protests / riots, but I can see a potential for major changes.

Saint Teresa clinging onto power could be the spark.
 
malg said:
Don't give a fuck what her majority was. I've seen enough of her to wonder at the fucking eedjits that would vote for her.
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Do you doubt she was ill, at all? Having seen her political programming before this election, I can tell you she was far from this version, no matter if you agreed with her or not.

I think more people voted for her than May, even?

So you might have "to wonder at the fucking eedjits that would vote for her" also...
 
worsleyweb said:
In her constituency you could have put anyone in as labour candidate and they would have won.
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My mate calls these Hitler seats.

In that if Hitler stood in them the local electorate would probably say how he wasn't that bad anyway and his transport record was exceptional
 
Sinn Fein reportedly claiming the proposed agreement between the Government and the DUP is in breach of the Good Friday Agreement.
And so it unravels less than twenty four hours after being announced.
 
Damien10 said:
You see my frustration here isn't actually at the Labour party or it's leader. My frustration is yet again people are crying about a democratic result. As they did with Brexit, and no i didn't vote Brexit but now i fully support it because that is what the nation voted also seeing the actions of many EU leaders made me passionate about it being sucessful . I want nothing more then Britain to be successful no matter who is in power and i will always accept the result.
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You miss the point entirely.

Everyone accepts the result.

The problem is the Right voters dismiss the impact of the campaign Corbyn ran, in the 7 weeks that some media stopped their suffocating smear 'reporting' on him. Look what happened!

What might have been with a fair shake? An actual debate with the opposition?

Small things.
 
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