Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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Gabriel said:
I sense your delight and frustration, but I would caution against reading too much into this one result. If the need of the hour were what you suggest, then I would imagine that the electorate would have sensed that too and voted Labour into power.It could equally be argued that many who voted Labour saw it as a free hit to protest against the Referendum result of last year or to give Theresa May, in particular, a bloody nose for being so opportunistic and calling a snap election. I don't suspect you to agree with either interpretation, but that just shows the danger of reading too much into one result. :-)

The result of the next election result should allow a clearer picture.
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I do consider myself to have the awareness to entertain the fact that there are possibilities and outcomes other than those that may occur to me or the ones that I may wish to see. I actually do agree that your analysis is totally plausible and it may well be that you are totally correct and it is your vision that comes to pass. However, it is my own gut feeling that things may turn out rather differently. I may be wrong, you may be wrong. It'll take another GE to determine which way the wind is blowing.
 
The perfect fumble said:
That's stretching things to the point of breaking point.
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May was appalling as I'm sure you'll agree. In spite of that she still won. Thatcher won in 1983 in spite of mass unemployment and riots. The fact that she was up against a far left idealist is no coincidence. It wasn't just the Falklands that won it. Labour lost it as has Corbyn this time.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
What a sad deluded rant by a Tory fanboy clearly in denial.
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I have see Jonathan Pie a few times on the comedy circuit. He's as socialist as they come. Not a Marxist, Communist or indeed Menchavic (or whatever Momentum actually are) but certainly on the left. It doesn't stop him having s pop at idiocy even on the left. Quite a lot of the left don't like him when he has a pop at them. Clearly you can't cristise the left even if you are on the left.
 
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goalmole said:
I do consider myself to have the awareness to entertain the fact that there are possibilities and outcomes other than those that may occur to me or the ones that I may wish to see. I actually do agree that your analysis is totally plausible and it may well be that you are totally correct and it is your vision that comes to pass. However, it is my own gut feeling that things may turn out rather differently. I may be wrong, you may be wrong. It'll take another GE to determine which way the wind is blowing.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to sound condescending. What in particular makes that your gut feeling?
 
The Tories are desperate to play down the significance of this. A few weeks ago JC had no chance & was written off by the media and people within his own party. He has survived all of this and come within a whisker of winning this election! People who were never interested in politics before have become politicised. The elite are scared & with good reason. Things are going to change in this country now that the people written off realise that they can have a say. The tide is turning, make no mistake about it!

The fact that nurses have to use food banks tells you everything you need to know about the Tories. Anyone who supports them should be ashamed IMO due to that alone.
 
Juan King said:
The Tories are desperate to play down the significance of this. A few weeks ago JC had no chance & was written off by the media and people within his own party. He has survived all of this and come within a whisker of winning this election! People who were never interested in politics before have become politicised. The elite are scared & with good reason. Things are going to change in this country now that the people written off realise that they can have a say. The tide is turning, make no mistake about it!

The fact that nurses have to use food banks tells you everything you need to know about the Tories. Anyone who supports them should be ashamed IMO due to that alone.
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Within a whisker of winning?
More like a full beard.
 
west didsblue said:
Thatcher was up against leaders in the mould of Corbyn (Foot especially and Kinnock was quite far to the left). She won for the same reason as May did after the worst campaign ever.
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Lord kinnock was anything but far to the left.

He was exactly the sort of lickspittle opportunist Tory-lite, working class-hating, I'm-alright-Jack, do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do, careerist bastard that made the coronation of the murderer tony Blair possible.

Anti EU when he thought that would get him elected to the leadership of the party (he was right - it did), who then accepted the highly paid , highly pensioned role of EU commissioner like a rat up a drainpipe.

Anti House of Lords until he was offered a peerage.

Kinnock did more long term harm to working people in this country than almost any politician ever.

A hateful, spiteful, bigoted, hypocritical bastard who kept the tories in power.

His only saving grace was that he was nicer than his wife.

And his son.
 
JWBlueman said:
Lord kinnock was anything but far to the left.

He was exactly the sort of lickspittle opportunist Tory-lite, working class-hating, I'm-alright-Jack, do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do, careerist bastard that made the coronation of the murderer tony Blair possible.

Anti EU when he thought that would get him elected to the leadership of the party (he was right - it did), who then accepted the highly paid , highly pensioned role of EU commissioner like a rat up a drainpipe.

Anti House of Lords until he was offered a peerage.

Kinnock did more long term harm to working people in this country than almost any politician ever.

A hateful, spiteful, bigoted, hypocritical bastard who kept the tories in power.

His only saving grace was that he was nicer than his wife.

And his son.
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Kinnock started on the left and when he moved towards the centre no-one believed a leopard had changed its spots hence the 1992 defeat.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
It's just a straight swing but it could be influenced by a number of factors. For example if the right-wing little-Englanders put pressure on May/Davis for a hard Brexit then many Tory voters who didn't vote UKIP might switch. If Corbyn wasn't the leader then that might eliminate some of the negativity around him.

I know you feel that Labour needs o be more centrist in its appeal and up to recently I would have agreed with you. But I'm not sure there is a centre at the moment. It's either more austerity or actually doing something radical to put the economy back on track and make it more inclusive. Someone like Clive Lewis, Barry Gardiner or Angela Rayner fronting the same manifesto could do it I believe.
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It's as easy as abc

Anyone But Corbyn.

It's no good mobilising the left if at the same time you alienate the right. He does the first part great, but will never solve the latter. The Labour leader needs to set out a stall that appeals to the moderate conservative. Corbyn never can.
 
west didsblue said:
May was appalling as I'm sure you'll agree. In spite of that she still won. Thatcher won in 1983 in spite of mass unemployment and riots. The fact that she was up against a far left idealist is no coincidence. It wasn't just the Falklands that won it. Labour lost it as has Corbyn this time.
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You're not comparing like with like.
 
Chippy_boy said:
It's as easy as abc

Anyone But Corbyn.

It's no good mobilising the left if at the same time you alienate the right. He does the first part great, but will never solve the latter. The Labour leader needs to set out a stall that appeals to the moderate conservative. Corbyn never can.
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Attlee didn't

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Clement Attlee meets constituents in the Limehouse constituency in 1945. ‘George Orwell called him a ‘dead fish’, and the New Statesman compared him to an ineffective schoolmaster.’
 
I'd like to know which mod deleted my post saying the Labour manifesto was a pack of lies?

This is ridiculous and unfairly biased censorship.

Tories on this thread have to put up with utter shite spouted by those on the left, day in day out, minute in minute out. Calling Tories cunts and god know what else. And if we reply saying that the Labour manifesto is full of lies WHICH IT IS, then our posts are deleted.

This is bloody disgraceful. I'd like to know who deleted it please.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Attlee didn't

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Clement Attlee meets constituents in the Limehouse constituency in 1945. ‘George Orwell called him a ‘dead fish’, and the New Statesman compared him to an ineffective schoolmaster.’
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I know you hark back to the days of the masses of unskilled workers and union power mate. Perhaps we should reopen the mines. Actually lets not go there, I fear I may know your answer.
 
cibaman said:
Even if the Brexit negotiations ultimately go well, the EU's initial position will scare many voters. A commanding PM might be able to reassure them that it will all turn out well in the end but May couldn't, and I don't think a new untrusted PM would be able to. Things will get worse for the tories before they improve.
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I fear you are right. Ironically, "winning" this election may not have been much of a win, since whoever's in the driving seat is bound to get crucified over it, imo.
 
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